No4 markI

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feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:31:30 GMT

eagle7 wrote:
Draw lapped refers to the wear to the muzzle area of the rifling by improper use of a pull-through while cleaning. British LE manuals illustrated the correct way to use the pull-through, ie. by pulling it straight up through the bore without "whip-sawing" the cord on the rifling. I remember seeing a humorous illustration in a manual showing a "slovenly soldier" (a British Beetle Bailey) using...

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feeds@yuku.com (eagle7) — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:49:46 GMT

Draw lapped refers to the wear to the muzzle area of the rifling by improper use of a pull-through while cleaning. British LE manuals illustrated the correct way to use the pull-through, ie. by pulling it straight up through the bore without "whip-sawing" the cord on the rifling. I remember seeing a humorous illustration in a manual showing a "slovenly soldier" (a British Beetle Bailey) using the pull-through while holding his rifle a an angle, merrily grinding away on the...

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feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:02:39 GMT

Temperflash: Thanks for the posting. I do my best to remember to flush with boiling water after range time but one of these days...

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feeds@yuku.com (temperflash) — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:01:52 GMT

It only takes one trip to the range by a shooter unfamilar with Cordite loaded ammo to leave a bore in hideous shape, appearance wise anyway.
The previous owner of my No.1 was familar with small bore rifles, large bore pistols, shotguns, and BP revolvers. He'd fired the handloads I fixed up for him, and Winchester sporting ammo through the No.1 and knew how to clean modern powder fouling well enough, but when a gunshop owner gave him a free bandoleer of ammo it never occurred to him...

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feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:56:01 GMT

PaulM wrote:
No you're not an expert Novak,and neither am I have been doing this for about 4 years licensed and unlicensed and I'm still learning.If you're going to try to tell me that every rifle you have bought came to you squeeky clean and pristine bored I'm not buying it.also Novak try to remember this Not every shiney bore is 100% All rifles,and pistols all C&Rs need constant care and maintainence...

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feeds@yuku.com (PaulM) — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:55:44 GMT

Now that my Brother is exactly what I was trying to say Thank you sir. No soldier worth his/hersalt ever allows their rifle to get dirty,certainly not the brave men and women of Her Majesty's armed Forces.I've had the honor of working along side them and know how conscientious,and meticulous they are.What I was attempting to say is after 30 to 50 years of laying in some warehouse they get dirty.Some of these dealers feel that they are selling the darn thing cheap so let the buyer...

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feeds@yuku.com (TikiRocker) — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:15:44 GMT

Paul,

I have met Ian in person and I don't think he would disagree with my response ... the comment I was responding to was "traditionally the Lee Enfield has been known for filthy bores " ... perhaps we need to qualify our statements a little more clearly is all. If you are saying this is commonly the case after being stored in grease, dirt and perhaps from a 3rd party country etc ( perhaps from 40 years of storage ) sure ... you could say that of any rifle kept in...

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feeds@yuku.com (PaulM) — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:31:44 GMT

No you're not an expert Novak,and neither am I have been doing this for about 4 years licensed and unlicensed and I'm still learning.If you're going to try to tell me that every rifle you have bought came to you squeeky clean and pristine bored I'm not buying it.also Novak try to remember this Not every shiney bore is 100% All rifles,and pistols all C&Rs need constant care and maintainence
Good night Gentlemen

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feeds@yuku.com (temperflash) — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:15:34 GMT

Well every Enfield brought to me fresh from the stores required quite a bit of cleaning, and not just the grease from storage. Resin from Cordite loads was thick and not easy to remove and metal fouling was also laid on pretty thick. Luckily corrosion had not set in on most of them.

I'd start off with the muzzle in a can of kerosene and run the brush through and back picking up fresh kerosene with each stroke. Shortly the kerosene was jet black with chunks of crud sinking to the...

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feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:58:44 GMT

I do not believe that Ian Skennerton or the 303 Enfield Forum have stated that "traditionally the Lee Enfield has been known for filthy bores.." I am, by no means, an expert but I have owned several dozens of various LEs over the past 40 years and I've yet to purchase one with a filthy bore. I do understand that Century may have LEs in store with filthy bores, given the procurement sources it may have but these are surely a tiny fraction of "LEs" in the world. If I...

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feeds@yuku.com (PaulM) — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:49:18 GMT

what I was trying to say is this.My rifle came to me with a filthy bore.I asked century and they apologized but insisted that these rifles have been sitting in warehouses for many years.The 303 Enfield Forum and also Ian Skennerton(these folks are experts on the Lee Enfield)Or do you folks consider yourselves more knowledgeable than them as well Getting back to what they said was that yes the British Soldier did take care of his rifle as do we.I think 30 years in the Army gives me room to...

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feeds@yuku.com (TikiRocker) — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:43:04 GMT

Have to cast my lot with Mr Novak here ... soldiers in the Commonwealth forces were to keep their rifles clean I think much of what we see of Enfield rifle condition has to do with use after sale to 3rd Party nations and then usage by the civllian market; this condition is in no way indicative of Wartime condition.

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feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:23:51 GMT

I don't think that "traditionally the Lee Enfield has been known for filthy bores..." Broad brush there.

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feeds@yuku.com (PaulM) — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:00:22 GMT

Gumpy traditionally the Lee Enfield has been known for filthy bores I bought mine from Century and the bore was abysmal.Everything else was mint including the fact that all the numbers match She's a BSA that comes from Shirley UK.A real British Girl.Fearing the worst I took it to a friend who inspected it and then suggseted that I buy a bore snake.That's what it took a bore snake,some good Hoppes cleaning fluid and some TLC. Now she not only looks good but fires great and...

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feeds@yuku.com (Rustybore) — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:42:14 GMT

It sounds like a parade or ceremonial rifle that shot a lot of blanks and was never cleaned afterwards.

Kevin in Or.

No4 markI

feeds@yuku.com (gumpy47) — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:12:42 GMT

I just acquired a nor4markI that externally is in great shape with an absolute sewer barrel.. The interesting part is that the magazine, barrel band, and trigger guard, along with rear sling swivel has been chromed. Anybody ever run accross this. It has no rebuild or import marks on it either by the way.
thx.