Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

Re: Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (high speed cruise) — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:48:20 GMT

I love this site!

I've decided to get the .50 Beowulf in my first AR! I read the book at age 15, saw the movie last year.....and I know the velocity and long-range flat shooting of the cartridge is far better to ANYTHING else.

GREG

Re: Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (eagle7) — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:39:49 GMT

Although the US Congress never ratified the Hague Convention and the pre-WWII Geneva Conventions, it has been our government's policy to abide by these international treaties. The only international military restriction on small arms ammo is that it must have a full metal jacket over the lead core, and must not have an explosive projectile. The way to get around this restriction is to have a void or hollow area between the jacketed point of the bullet and the solid core of the bullet. The...

Re: Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (bhp9) — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:59:07 GMT

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If you really want all the scoup you should go and read about the Grendel cartridge at the Grendel forum. You can find it by doing a 6.5 Google search. There is a real reason why the people behind the 6.8 SPC refused an invitation to go head to head against the Grendel at a Blackwater match, they new they would loose. There is also a reason why the 6.5 bullet is winning a lot of National Match meets, it is because the 6.5mm bullet is just about a perfect design for accuracy...

Re: Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (bhp9) — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:21:03 GMT

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The Russian 5.45mm bullet is such a good bullet out of the short barreled AK because of its design which probably pushes the envelope of what is allowed by the Geneva convention.

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The Geneva Convention did not outlaw expanding bullets, it was the Hague convention and the U.S. never signed it and actually does not obey it. The U.S. is currently using expanding and disintegrating bullets in the Middle East. Well, how do they get away with it. They...

Re: Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (bhp9) — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:55:36 GMT

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Don't forget the other advantage of the 6.5 and 6.7--- weight. Twice that of the standard SS109 loading in the 5.56.

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This is the most common mistake that the Big Bore boys always make, i.e. equating weight of the bigger bullet to the smaller bullet. The smaller bullet can be driven at higher velocities and although its weight may be less its ballistic co-efficient and the ability to penetrate because of its smaller diameter often way out penetrates...

Re: Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (JTB1967) — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:56:20 GMT

If Osama is elected, military spending will most likely be slashed heavily. Any thought so of new bullets, rifles, handguns, etc. will probably be put on the back burner for a a long time.

Re: Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (Bryan 45) — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:57:48 GMT

Don't forget the other advantage of the 6.5 and 6.7--- weight. Twice that of the standard SS109 loading in the 5.56.

There's no magic bullet, but unless someone comes up with a .50BMG that weighs 8 lbs and has no recoil on 3 round burst, the Army will make due with what fits in the current platform.

Re: Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (bhp9) — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:14:25 GMT

If you want good long range accruacy the 69 Sierra, 75 graing Hornady and the 80 gain Berger bullets in the .223 way out perform the 6.5 short rounds. Much less wind drift with the .223 in the 80 grain loadings

Re: Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (high speed cruise) — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:24:03 GMT

My 6.5 mm Swedes are pretty darn accurate!

Considering an AR 15 with uppers in both 6.5 Grendel and 5.45 x 39.

GREG

Re: Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (Smokepole50) — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:40:53 GMT

I could be wrong but as I understand it these are the facts........

The 5.56 was a good bullet in Viet Nam because it was shot at high velocity from a 20 inch barrel. That velocity is what made it upset and tumble when it hit flesh. In the M4, a much shorter barrel, it does not have enough velocity to act as it did in Viet Nam and thus has turned into a less then adaquate cartridge at distances behond say 100 yards. It is a light weight bullet and thus sheads its velocity very...

Common sense change, a new bullet for the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge

feeds@yuku.com (bhp9) — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:52:14 GMT

Recently there has been much brew-ha-ha in the gun rags (trying to push the "latest and greatest new wonder cartridge") about replacing the U.S. 5.56mm cartridge with a new "super cartridge" such as the 6.5mm or 6.7mm, guaranteed to knock down elephants with a single round or spin them around like tops with even a poorly placed hit or even make them disappear in a red puff of mist when hit...