Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (A square 10) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:12:14 GMT

ive tracked this thread without putting my 2 bits in because its really full of great informatyion and analysis , i found it fascinateing to see so much good input and so much courtesy ,

that is indeed what these forums are for and this is one of the best ive followed/read in quite a while , what a great bunch of contributers , sorry to say you all put in most everything i could have contributed ,

except , perhaps , a bit of wisdom i was given early on in my exposure to...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:46:56 GMT

wsmrto wrote:
Hey! Let me jump back in here. I think this is one of the best, most informative, friendly and downright interesting threads I have ever had the luck to read. Let alone have it about one of my collection. I enjoy every single bit of wisdom, feedback and both positive and negative criticism of this beautiful addition to my other Enfields and rest of my collection. Thanks. I still can't find any specific J Jovino...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (MasterChief) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:34:18 GMT

Agree with 5th Batt.

The widely-acclaimed expert on all things Lithgow, to include the Jovino specimens, is the uncrowned king of Australia: Vulch of Gunboards fame.

I suggest you post there if you haven't already done so, including those stunning images.

Best wishes. Dave

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (TikiRocker) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:28:25 GMT

WS,

From what I was told by sources on this side of the pond where these rifles came from .... all of the above happened. Jovino sold complete rifles in two grades that were marked in different locations ... he also sold made up parts rifles. The Australian Government sold vast stores of parts that ranged from receivers, barrels, barreled receivers, furniture stock sets and everything else that went with them ... Jovino then made post manufacture *as new* rifles from these parts....

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (wsmrto) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:18:04 GMT

Hey! Let me jump back in here. I think this is one of the best, most informative, friendly and downright interesting threads I have ever had the luck to read. Let alone have it about one of my collection. I enjoy every single bit of wisdom, feedback and both positive and negative criticism of this beautiful addition to my other Enfields and rest of my collection. Thanks. I still can't find any specific J Jovino info on their import and distribution of these, mainly where did they get the...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (5th Batt) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:34:38 GMT

1 There appears to be a few collectors (more than 2) who own Jovino parts rifles & know what they have & keep them for what they are.
2. there are some collectors who don't have one, but would like to get one, me included.

IMO the criteria that determines a collectors piece has been met.
If i was any less a man, i would find comments about them not being a collectors piece offensive

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (Rustybore) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:53:11 GMT

Years ago, I too, bought a 1942 rifle, in the A series. It has all appearances of never being fired. I finally found the Jovino stamp on it, found a mention somewhere that the "A" series was a put together rifle by Jovino. Nonetheless, it is a beautiful, new rifle. I have been told to check for the brass plates before fireing it, as the stock is prone to splint without them. I have the rifle in storage presently, but one of these days I will either check for the plates before...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (TikiRocker) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:52:40 GMT

You only have to observe BSA proofs and general markings to see perfectly legit factory rifles with very poorly struck cartouche - they are notorious for it.

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (eb in oregon) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:12:01 GMT

A Square 10,

Everything you said is true and probably correct, with one exception.

I disagree with your assessment regarding the stampings indicating refinish. I've looked at the same pictures and only note stampings that appear that the dies were getting worn. Just the appearance of the stamped markings is not a good indicator of refinish. I've seen many rifles that had never been refinished and the stampings appeared smeared as they were not new and crisp that...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (thingamabob12) — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:01:49 GMT

I have a JJCO at home and if I remember correctly the serial#s for those started with an "A" I noticed yours doesn't. Maybe all the SMLE Gurus can help with the serial #s and dates corresponding together.

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (A square 10) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:26:20 GMT

you have a beautiful rifle , that said lets be realistic on what you are sugesting in the title ...............

first , the japanese were overunning the islands in 41 , not likely there was a rifle to spare , as a matter of fact they were requistioning the sporters and target rifles of the ausies at that time - promising to return them of coarse , [kinda makes one wonder at disarming the public doesnt it ? ]

second , the brits had once again contracted with the US to...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (temperflash) — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:09:42 GMT

wsmrto wrote:
Ed and S&B: I too went through the 10 pages of google sorting out the JJCO stuff and I am getting very interested. I have several nice Enfields including a Irish Ccontract #4Mk2 that is very nice but in issued and been there ( where I don't know). Anyway back to the jjco Lithgow's, I can't put into words how beautiful this stock is, looks like whoever did put it together the same chunk of wood to...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (wsmrto) — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:03:31 GMT

Fogtripper: I have examined, inspected and cleaned weapons since 1966 when I entered basic in the Army. I imagine in the 20 plus years I spent in the Army, retiring as a SFC, and the 20 years serving in the DA Civil Service should suffice. The thousands of bores I have looked through at all stages of serviceability, should give me some expertise in if a round has gone from the mag, up a feed ramp and into a chamber.

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (Fogtripper) — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:44:53 GMT

wsmrto wrote: If all the parts are matching and in new unfired condition why would anyone bother to put on such gorgeous, almost custom wood.

Beyond grease in the chamber, what physical evidence leads you to believe it is unfired? There are some beautiful rebuilt rifles out there, dressed with new wood and freshly applied finish. I would love to think the story is true, but I honestly think you simply have a...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (wsmrto) — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:04:50 GMT

Ed and S&B: I too went through the 10 pages of google sorting out the JJCO stuff and I am getting very interested. I have several nice Enfields including a Irish Ccontract #4Mk2 that is very nice but in issued and been there ( where I don't know). Anyway back to the jjco Lithgow's, I can't put into words how beautiful this stock is, looks like whoever did put it together the same chunk of wood to put on my JJCO, as the grain in all 3 pieces match so nicely. Whoever did the...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (shotandabeer) — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:47:09 GMT

Alrighty gang, I'll do my best to get some picture's up. First I have to get my hand's on a digital camera, figure how to post pic's here, and closely inspect the rifle for the JJCO mark's. Be patient with me this sound's like it's going to require overtime. wsmrto ok to send you an e mail when I do?

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:07:30 GMT

wsmrto wrote:
Well, here we go again!! Shot & beer can you take some photos of it so it can be discussed. Also does it have JJCO //NYC stamped very small and lightly on the barrel in front of the rear sight? I for one (since I have one of these too) really would like to compare the both of them. Thanks for getting in on this. maybe there should be a full series of any info on these fine looking rifles. How many and when they...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (wsmrto) — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:55:42 GMT

Well, here we go again!! Shot & beer can you take some photos of it so it can be discussed. Also does it have JJCO //NYC stamped very small and lightly on the barrel in front of the rear sight? I for one (since I have one of these too) really would like to compare the both of them. Thanks for getting in on this. maybe there should be a full series of any info on these fine looking rifles. How many and when they were imported, how many were assembled prior to import and how many and what...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (shotandabeer) — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:28:14 GMT

I too have one of these pristine 1942 "Lithgows". The numbers on mine are matching too. The serial number does begin with the letter C. However the stock does not have any stampings on it. The only marking that is on the stock is the letter D with a diagonal line going through it /. Does anybody know what this could possibly mean? From reading all of these posts I am assuming it is one of the JJCO's. I have not taken it apart yet, but I thinkmit is one of these. However I did...

Re: unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (Doc AV) — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:12:34 GMT

I have just finished reading the Vol.1 of the History of SAF Lithgow. From my memory of this history, including when all the "Annexes" began production, it would seem from the assemblage of various OA,BA and MA Parts, that the rifle, although marked "1941" was possibly actually "set up" (fully assembled) in mid to late 1942;

By observation of Serial letter vs year date on buttsocket, I have found (over several 100s of SMLEs,) that the years and serials...

unfired lithgow 1941

feeds@yuku.com (wsmrto) — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:02:18 GMT

Great find in Tulsa! Absolutely the most beautiful military stock I have ever laid my eyes, or hands on. As the photos show this has never been fired!! It still has the original grease in the chamber and bore. Check out the pictures.