http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/32046/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:36:21 GMT Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:12:57 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/32046/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186676/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186676 feeds@yuku.com (Alexei) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186676 Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:12:56 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186648/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186648 Thank you for the great replies, obviously I am speaking with scholars.
Nick ]]> feeds@yuku.com (fiatmom) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186648 Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:46:04 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186623/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186623
Nice posts my friend.

Eric ]]> feeds@yuku.com (eb in oregon) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186623 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:40:01 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186603/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186603 1. To keep the conservative old generals happy, the Berthiers originally had three round clips to enforce ammo conservation ... FALSE ... Berthiers were originally made for Cavalry troops and as had been said before their main weapons were the lance, sabre and pistol.
2. It is my understanding that the Berthier was originally designed for a different cartridge which enabled 5 rounds, and when adapted to 8mm Lebel it would only... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (1886lebel) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186603 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:41:17 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186572/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186572
From reading your post it seems that two factors influenced the French to adopt the Berthier carbines in 1890 with three shot magazines. The first reason was that they didn't want a magazine protruding out of the carbine that could be vulnerable to damage and would tear the soldiers' uniform jackets while it was slung across the back.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (eagle7) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186572 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:43:32 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186551/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186551
1887 - The Comité de L'Artillerie headed by Général Gallifet decided to experiment in making a carbine version of the Fusil d'Infanterie Modèle 1886 "Lebel" with the following requirements: It had to use the same cartridge already in service, feeds@yuku.com (1886lebel) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186551 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:11:52 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186543/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186543 at the Battle of Concon in the Chilean Civil War of 1891 it was found that the tubular magazine rifles used (not sure of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (7GREEN) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186543 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:46:53 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186536/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186536 feeds@yuku.com (eagle7) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186536 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:44:18 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186533/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186533 feeds@yuku.com (fiatmom) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186533 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:19:30 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186531/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186531
At least that was reported in an issue of the American Rifleman some time ago.

Eric ]]> feeds@yuku.com (eb in oregon) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186531 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:06:03 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/reply/186529/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html#reply-186529 feeds@yuku.com (eagle7) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/sreply/186529 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:56:17 GMT http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/32046/t/Berthier-vs-Lebelle.html I know the physical differences between the Berthier and the Lebelle,but what are the historic differences?
The French were the first to introduce the use of smokeless powder. I was wondering in which rifle did they introduce it .
Were both rifles used in the First world war or did one predate the other?
I like to collect technologically significant arms but am less informed on the French arms.
I believe the differences... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (fiatmom) http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/32046 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:36:21 GMT