No 4 k1 Prices

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (bambam91) — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:42:26 GMT

The local area has a fair number of Savage rifles in various condition. All of them include stacking rods included with the front forend band. I removed mine and kept it but note that it came with it. The piece was reported to be a Turkish addition. The stacking rod was very well made and looked to be part of the rifle. Until I learned more I thought it was OEM.

One thing to note however is that some of these imports have a small (weak) coil spring replacing the leaf extractor...

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (TP) — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:06:21 GMT

Ray, why the Savage and Longbranch rifles are so hard to find for you I can't say, it may be your location. With the Longbranch rifles, many were kept in Canada for their armed forces of course while some were sent to England but it was a relatively small number in service with British forces. More Longbranch rifles stayed in Canada than you might think and then were surplussed there so they are possibly still in Canadian hands, but they are not uncommon in the US in my experience. That...

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (bambam91) — Sat, 30 May 2009 23:31:31 GMT

Ray:

You are right. I forget that the manufacture did not happen in a vacuum. During that period a lot of stuff went in the drink. As late as mid '43 the packs were pretty much having their way with us. And no I have not seen any #4MkI's for sale but then again, I have only looked in the last 3 months.

Sadly I did know of one once. In college ('91-'92) some friends and I bought some cheap guns at a local shop, I bought 2. One was, I now know, a...

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (Ray Newman) — Sat, 30 May 2009 01:53:56 GMT

BamBam91: while the Savage & LB No. 4 Mk I*'s are not rare, the Savage & LB No 4 Mk I's surely are few & far between.

Have you ever seen one for sale? I haven't in years & I'm always looking.

I wonder how many of the Savage & LB No. 4 Mk I's are resting in some hulk on the bottom of the Atlantic? If I recall correctly, 1942 saw the highest losses for Allied ships in the...

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (bambam91) — Fri, 29 May 2009 22:36:15 GMT

Ray:

The Savages, anyway, are not rare. They were largest producing factory of any in WWII. Stratton, has the total est prod at 4.163M. Savage was the largest total contributor at 1.236M. That is about 30%. so almost 1 in 3 WWII #4's should be a Savage.

The Long Branch's were second in production at 0.906M. So they are closer to 1 in 4. Either way they should be really common.

I guess it depends on what gets imported. I know the shop around...

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (Ray Newman) — Thu, 28 May 2009 23:01:12 GMT

I've had an interest in the L-E for about 20 years & it seems to me that L-E prices over the last few years have taken a dramatic increase. Esp. for those that are in really pristine condition, all original & OEM issue, &/ or are unusual like the Savage & the Long Branch No.4 Mk I. I really can't recall the last time I saw a Savage or LB No. 4 Mk I for sale. 'Sorta' like the elusive & mythical 7.62 mm LB No. 4 -- you just don't see...

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feeds@yuku.com (Ray Newman) — Thu, 28 May 2009 23:01:11 GMT

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feeds@yuku.com (supers1) — Thu, 28 May 2009 10:52:27 GMT

The LB N o.4 Mk1 (1941) outwardly looked pristine. I did not check the bore. I still think $1000 is a lot to pay for this model. Don't know if it sold.

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (bambam91) — Wed, 27 May 2009 23:07:04 GMT

First Sorry I have been gone for a long time.

Final exams! YUCK!!!!

Ed, I would have to agree with you on the surface. 10K-15K in a total of a million is 1%-1.5%. So if five million were made that is 0.2% to 0.03%. And I think 5 million is on the low side, sinceI have not had time to read and remember all the data in my new books (Thanks for the recomendation ED).

But... 10K-15K rifles is a lot!!! expecially considering modern production levels....

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (Hessenfesser) — Tue, 26 May 2009 22:19:43 GMT

If the '41 Longbranch No4 Mk1 is in pristine condition and unfired since it left the factory it may well be worth $1000 to the right person. Also, one thing to remember is that asking prices and selling prices are usually two completely different things. You should never base the value of an item on the price asked. Base value on the price it sold at.

~Hessenfesser

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Sat, 23 May 2009 21:03:21 GMT

Again: I originally made reference to the LB No. 4, Mk. 1 and added a comment about the Savage No. 4, Mk. 1. An additional fact is that Savage No. 4s are demanding a premium in the U.S. - in my opinion, Savage No.4s are popular in the U.S. because they are "American made". I will expect that the LB No. 4 is popular in Canada because it is Canadian made. Total No.4 production interest is with respect to total number of No. 4 rifles produced anywhere, any model/mark in comparison with...

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (TP) — Sat, 23 May 2009 17:14:41 GMT

Ed, if I recall correctly, the Savage production was the highest of all of the individual makers - Canadian, British and US - with over 1 million made. I have never understood their bringing higher prices than other makers. Canadian, yes, but Savage no. I'll try to check those numbers again when I get a chance, its been a while since I saw the production numbers. I guess its the "US Property" marking that brings the big money and the feeling that they are "rare".

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feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Sat, 23 May 2009 13:20:49 GMT

Metaleer wrote:
According to British Enfield Rifles Vol. 2 Long Branch only made the MKI in 1941 (page 24) and Savage also changed over that year. LB serial numbers prefix was 0L to 1L. There were between 10,000 to 15,000 rifles made. (Pages 168-169) Hope that helps.

How many millions of No.4s were produced in total? 10 - 15K LB No.1s was certainly a tiny fraction of the total number, as were Savage No.1s....

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (Metaleer) — Sun, 17 May 2009 20:09:04 GMT

According to British Enfield Rifles Vol. 2 Long Branch only made the MKI in 1941 (page 24) and Savage also changed over that year. LB serial numbers prefix was 0L to 1L. There were between 10,000 to 15,000 rifles made. (Pages 168-169) Hope that helps.

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Sun, 17 May 2009 15:19:34 GMT

But, LB didn't produce the Mk. 1 for very long; I don't know when Mk. 1 production ended and Mk. 1* production started. $1K for even a '41 Mk. 1 is way beyond what I'd expect even a die-hard collector to pay but there are people out there with a lot of money to spend.

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feeds@yuku.com (T OHeir) — Sun, 17 May 2009 02:14:11 GMT

Anybody who thinks any standard No. 4 Mk I Lee-Enfield is worth a grand has been smoking something that is illegal.
"...last year of LB production..." Canadian Arsenals made No. 4's until just before production of the C1 started in 1955.

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (Ed Novak) — Fri, 15 May 2009 20:04:09 GMT

Bambam: I referred specifically to "LB 1941 No. 4, Mk. 1" and "Savage No.4, Mk. 1". These rifles are early models and relatively scarce and, therefore, more desirable. I've never seen a LB Mk.1 and held only one Savage Mk.1 in all my years of collecting (admittedly, I am not a big volume buyer/collector but I keep my eyes open for these rifles). Here's a tale about my one and only Savage Mk.1: I bought this rifle as a sporterized rifle with cut-down wood from North...

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (Metaleer) — Fri, 15 May 2009 15:10:01 GMT

"unfired Irish Contract No. 4 Mk 2 (last year of British production) are worth?" They have been going for $1,000 to $700 on Auction Arms and Gunbroker.

Prices for the Enfields have been all over the place. On the Web sites people are getting a premium while at stores they are still in the $400-$250 range depending on the condition. Older finer looking and functioning rifles are getting harder and harder to find. The safes of many gun collectors and individuals of...

Re: No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (bambam91) — Sun, 10 May 2009 20:01:12 GMT

Ed, Would you care to elaborate? Why are the Savage rifles so much more? There is a shop around here that has quite a few in various levels of condition for $200-$300. This place will even allow you to swap parts fom the rifles on the racks to make what you want. They just have them marked based on SS#.

What would you call a "premium"?

I am interested, even though I already have a nice #4 Savage, another could be had and sold to further my collection. Like a...

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feeds@yuku.com (supers1) — Sun, 10 May 2009 16:10:14 GMT

Makes we wonder what my unfired1950 Longbranch no. 1 Mk 1* (last year of LB production) and my unfired Irish Contract No. 4 Mk 2 (last year of British production) are worth? Anyone have an idea?

No 4 k1 Prices

feeds@yuku.com (supers1) — Sun, 10 May 2009 09:46:54 GMT

At the latest Montreal area gun show last week, several Enfields were up for sale. One No 5 was going for $350. Various No 1's were going from $150-$300. Several No. 4's were available. What really caught my eye was a BSA No. 4 Mk 1 (1941) for $600 and what really seemed out of reality was a 1941 Longbranch No. 4 Mk 1 for $1000. All prices are in Canadian dollars. I know that 1941 was the year that the No. 4 was adopted but are these prices justified?