91/30 PU Snipers from SOG.

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Posts: 938 (06/15/08 03:36 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Does anyone know if the 91/30 PU Snipers in the last SOG ad are originals?, or are they just yet more reproductions? ____________________________________ 50+ Members, and counting, but I could still use more.... http://pub22.ezboard.com/bvintagefirearmsforum Post if you can....
WVchuck		#1	[-]
Posts: 10889 (06/15/08 08:23 AM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If they are under $700, I would say they are reproduction pieces.
9245		#2	[-]
Posts: 939 (06/15/08 11:33 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	WVchuck wrote: If they are under $700, I would say they are reproduction pieces. There $495 so that would be my guess as well, the thing that throws me is the ad says "These are from the Ukraine, and arriving this week. These come with original PU 3.5 scope with a serial number that matches the rifle. These are in good to excellent condition." The part about arriving this week (actually a few weeks ago), and having original scopes serialized to the Rifle is what has me asking this question. The picture seems to show that slight almost inoercievable throw in the bolt that I never see with repro bolts, so that has me wondering to. The price seems way to low for an Original though. I hate people who make the Repro's, and I REALLY hate the people who market them as Originals, that creates problems now, theen again when ignorant buyers try to resell them as Originals because "thats what they were told". It makes buying 91/30 PU's risky all the time. ____________________________________ 50+ Members, and counting, but I could still use more.... http://pub22.ezboard.com/bvintagefirearmsforum Post if you can....
WVchuck		#3	[-]
Posts: 10891 (06/15/08 05:37 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have one of those that I purchased from AIM. It has a hex receiver and is a decent little shooter. I'm much more comfortable with taking it out for a play day at the range than I am taking the real one. If a buyer does their homework, they should be able to tell a real one from a reproduction. They are from the Ukraine, that's where a lot of the Mosins we've been enjoying for $59 to $89 each have been imported from for our shooting pleasure. It's a 1/2 truth, sprinkled with a little bit of schmoo to make the sale more appealing to the buyer.
WVchuck		#4	[-]
Posts: 10896 (06/15/08 09:28 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here's a picture of mine:
Mountain Doctor		#5	[-]
Posts: 2545 (06/16/08 01:43 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have a repro from AIM I bought about 3-4 years ago for $350, IIRC. It's a good shooter. I installed a Huber Concepts trigger which made a big difference. It's not the real thing, and I accept that, but it's still cool.
eb in oregon	sniper clones	#6	[-]
Posts: 93 (06/20/08 09:16 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have a "repro" M-N sniper that I purchased from a friend when he needed some cash. He built it years ago before the original snipers had become so common. I didn't buy it as a original and could never conceive of trying to sell it as an original. As I've stated in several other threads, some of us don't have the ready cash to fuel our collections as do others. So, we have to be grateful for what we get. Sometimes this includes reproductions or refurbished rifles that others may sneer at as "not original." Well boys, some may not be totally original, but they are mine and I like them. Respectfully, Eric "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
Mountain Doctor		#7	[-]
Posts: 2587 (06/20/08 11:47 AM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Nothing to sneer at there, Eric. That looks like a fine rifle. I could probably afford a real one, but I'm happy with my repro. The target with the 7.62mm hole in the middle will never tell the difference. Also, FWIW, your friend may have done a more percise job than Century, or Ivan for that matter.
Pahtu		#8	[-]
Posts: 2003 (06/20/08 12:12 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	eb, looks like a fine sniper/shooter to me. Interesting that your rifle has a reinforcing bolt in the wrist -usually just the laminates have those. So far, a sniper MN eludes me - I might spring for a R guns sniper, or a repro - They are neat, but not on the have to do list right now Pahtu.
eb in oregon		#9	[-]
Posts: 94 (06/20/08 12:55 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yea, I find that re-inforcing bolt interesting too. Could have been added during arsenal re-build for one reason or another, but no telling for sure. I've been trying to find a cleaning rod but I cringe at spending $50.00 or more (plus shipping) for a rod, for a piece, that is a reproduction. Actually I've been scheaming on making my own. All I need is the correct metric die and I can make my own. I know where to get the die, I just haven't gotten around to ordering it. I've been concentrating on Arisaka stuff recently. I also need some lens caps, but try to find those by themselves! Eric "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
kalashnichris		#10	[-]
Posts: 73 (06/20/08 01:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	you could try the local gunshows for a repro rod.when i was visting my parents up in ny this past feb,there was a gunshow up the road.i picked up a rod for my beater m44 for $8.
Mountain Doctor		#11	[-]
Posts: 2589 (06/20/08 03:03 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I bet a shoemaker could sew you up some lens caps if you had a set or a picture/measurements to give him/her.
cktad		#12	[-]
Posts: 11 (06/22/08 05:18 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	eb in oregon wrote: I have a "repro" M-N sniper that I purchased from a friend when he needed some cash. He built it years ago before the original snipers had become so common. I didn't buy it as a original and could never conceive of trying to sell it as an original. As I've stated in several other threads, some of us don't have the ready cash to fuel our collections as do others. So, we have to be grateful for what we get. Sometimes this includes reproductions or refurbished rifles that others may sneer at as "not original." Well boys, some may not be totally original, but they are mine and I like them. Respectfully, Eric The difference between yours and the current repros is you have an original WW2 PU/SVT scope, which is a big plus. The current repros use a Ukrainian reproduction PU scope. Also, 1942 is the first year they started manufacturing PU snipers. They didn't use rifles made before that date, hex receivers or low wall receivers. You got a good deal as the scope is worth some $$$.
cktad		#13	[-]
Posts: 12 (06/22/08 05:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	9245 wrote: Does anyone know if the 91/30 PU Snipers in the last SOG ad are originals?, or are they just yet more reproductions? They are repros, check this out for info from someone who bought one http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=57035&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30.
Mountain Doctor		#14	[-]
Posts: 2603 (06/23/08 12:08 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mine was built on a Hex. I still odn't know why they did that. I assume it was for the quality of it's bore.
cktad		#15	[-]
Posts: 13 (06/23/08 04:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mountain Doctor wrote: Mine was built on a Hex. I still odn't know why they did that. I assume it was for the quality of it's bore. Let me clarify what I meant. Original PU snipers were not built on hex or low wall receivers, however, repro PUs are built on any 91/30 rifle that they had on hand.
eb in oregon		#16	[-]
Posts: 103 (06/23/08 09:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I may be wrong, but I recall seeing information on Soviet snipers (including specific mounts) that were built on hex receivers. It is my understanding that sniper rifles were built before WW II for the Soviet Army on Mosin Nagants and that they stopped doing that as a new semi-auto, the SVT 40 was adopted. However as the SVT 40 did not live up to it's expectations as a sniper, the 91/30 was re-adopted. I'm no expert, but I think this is correct. Eric "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
cktad		#17	[-]
Posts: 14 (06/24/08 07:07 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	eb in oregon wrote: I may be wrong, but I recall seeing information on Soviet snipers (including specific mounts) that were built on hex receivers. It is my understanding that sniper rifles were built before WW II for the Soviet Army on Mosin Nagants and that they stopped doing that as a new semi-auto, the SVT 40 was adopted. However as the SVT 40 did not live up to it's expectations as a sniper, the 91/30 was re-adopted. I'm no expert, but I think this is correct. Eric Yes, they built PE, PEM and PU sniper rifles. The PE/PEM's could be built on hex or round receivers and were made from 1932-1940 & 1942. The PE/PEM was a top mount, long tube scope with the PE scope being focus adjustable and the PEM not. The later model 1942 PEM was a side mount. I'll say it again, the PU was first built in 1942 and used the short PU scope on a side mount. They used high wall round receivers for the PU as they wanted more meat to attach to and they had stopped building the hex receivers by that time. Here is a link to the history of the Russian sniper rifles http://mosinnagant.net/sniper%20section/snipertext1.asp.