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snot slinger	M38 or M44	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 (07/21/08 02:53 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Should I get the M38 or the M44 and why? By the way im looking for better performence. Can u help me decide ??????? Last Edited By: snot slinger 07/21/08 05:33 PM. Edited 1 time.
Kris Tunetso		#1	[-]
Posts: 1 (07/21/08 06:32 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The only real difference between the two weapons is that the M44 has an integral bayonet mounted to the right side of the barrel. This increases the weight of the weapon slightly and in most cases needs to be extended for optimal accuracy. Otherwise, the two weapons are mechanically identical therefore, in theory, will be identical in performance. That's the theory, anyway, but reality rarely follows theory. However, there are other contributing factors to accuracy, such as how tight the action sits in the stock, whether or not the barrel has been counterbored... I've been told that counterbored barrels are generally less accurate than non-counterbored models, but I have had similar accuracy with my counterbored M38 and non-counterbored M44. shrug Additionally, M38s are getting harder to find on the open market, and therefore more expensive, whereas you can get a halfway decent M44 for around $60. All told, you're best bet would be to find a place with some in stock and check over each piece for how tight everything is, how clean the barrel is on the inside, counterboring... things that you would look for on pretty much any firearm you're thinking about buying. Hope that helps.
WVchuck		#2	[-]
Posts: 11101 (07/21/08 06:34 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Get both! The 44 for the bayonet and the 38 because it doesn't have a bayonet. Either one has the potential of being a great shooter with the right ammo. The 44 has more moving parts and mass at the end of the barrel. The 38 makes for a dandy lightweight truck gun with some assertive kick to it. Both have their place in a Mosin collection. Then you have to decide if you want laminate or hardwood stocks. Then the answer is get one of each! Before it is over, you can have four carbines to pick from on a daily basis! welcome to the forums you two!!!
snot slinger		#3	[-]
Posts: 4 (07/21/08 06:49 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	thanks both of u and by the way i found a m44 laminate for a $110 dollars should i of gottan it
Kris Tunetso		#4	[-]
Posts: 2 (07/21/08 07:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I certainly agree that you should get more than one, eventually anyway. Mosins are like Rabbits: they multiply rapidly. I was just trying to answer your question for the current situation, as it seemed to me you were trying to decide which to buy first. I dont know if this is kosher or not, so please forgive me if Im in the wrong here, but Snot Slinger, I suggest you ask all your questions in a single thread if they're all about the same weapon. You've got 3 different threads now all asking questions that could have been answered much more quickly and easily if you had asked them all at once in a single thread. I know many other forums find that to be an administrative burden that only serves to clutter up a board. Just offering constructive advice, not trying to tear you down. Thanks for the welcome Chuck. I've actually been lurking around here for about 3 years now, just never had anything of value to say. Any question I might have has already been asked and answered at least thrice-over. Last Edited By: Kris Tunetso 07/21/08 07:21 PM. Edited 1 times.
snot slinger		#5	[-]
Posts: 9 (07/21/08 07:27 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	do u mean to ask all my question in one topic? thanks for the advice anyway Last Edited By: snot slinger 07/21/08 07:35 PM. Edited 1 times.
Kris Tunetso		#6	[-]
Posts: 5 (07/21/08 07:50 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If all of your questions are about getting an M38 or an M44, which one is more accurate, which one kicks more, if the price is right... etc (these are all questions you've already asked, by the way) then yes it would be more appropriate to ask them all in one thread. Because, in essence, you are asking for a comparison between the two weapons. By asking all your questions in one thread, you can in turn get all of you answers in one thread. That's much easier than opening several threads which you would have to keep track of, right? Just a suggestion for future practice. However, if your questions are about totally different things, such as the going price for a Remington 870 and the resale value of a S&W revolver, you of course would Not ask them in the same thread since they are totally different topics. Make sense? And even though I answered the question you asked in a PM, I'll answer it here again too. If you're only allowed to get one or the other, the M38 or the M44, I suggest getting the M38 since they are getting harder and harder to come by at decent prices. Before long, they'll be nearly all gone, like the Swede Mausers or K98s. One of those cant be had for less than $300 now-a-days becasue there are so few left on the market. Get the M38 now and save the M44 for later, unless the only M38s you can find are not in good shape at all. If that's the case then get an M44 that you can at least use.
snot slinger		#7	[-]
Posts: 10 (07/21/08 08:26 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	ok thanks
stantheman1986	M38	#8	[-]
Posts: 5115 (07/21/08 09:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It's cool, I have raging ADD so I often ask the same questions several times over because I forgot that I already asked them I would go with the M38, although of course, if you know me by my threads you know I'll tell you to get an M91, or a 91/30! I hate the M44 bayonet, it serves no purpose to the shooter seeking a recreational rifle.But it is a must for any Mosin collection, so you'll need at least 1....I don't like M44's and I have 5 of them....two Poles, a Romanian, a Yugo refurb and a Bubba'd scoped Soviet M44 that I picked up cheap as a blaster. The M38's are neat, they really are just short rifle versions of the 91/30, except no provision to mount a bayonet.My first Mosin was an M38, still have it. Why the Soviets didn't decide to just make M38 type rifles that accepted the detachable spike bayonet is beyond me. The Soviets always were obsessed with the idea of having every rifle capable of accepting a bayo, except the M38.......and then came the M44 with it's funky folding bayonet with the rifle zeroed with this thing extended, that seems to be counter-productive by 1944-45 when they came into use. The M38 and M44 were obsolete when they were developed,produced as an effort to squeeze more use out of the Mosin because the Soviets were already tooled up to crank these things out...the 91/30 was too long for the changing style of warfare of WWII and a simple short carbine was an easy answer.....The SVT couldn't be issued in large enough numbers but it was around, and the SKS was in use in small numbers by 1945 and then the AK-47 quickly came into general issue. There's a reason why we never used an M16 with an attached bayonet, because it makes no real sense when a soldier can just carry the bayo on his belt. The Soviets also continued this login into the SKS, with the cute little knife bayo that folds out from under the stock......
69396		#9	[-]
Posts: 768 (07/21/08 11:26 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Don't have the stats at hand, but 44s were made in much greater numbers than 38s. I have a 1944 38 from Aztec that looks like it had its shellac applied with a broom but is very accurate with Bulgarian hb. Outshoots both of my 91/59s. It pays to hold on tight when you squeeze one off! Paid all of $59 a few years back.
CR Hound		#10	[-]
Posts: 696 (07/22/08 02:01 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I like the M38s a lot. Unfortunately the M38s being imported now generally have very worn bores. A M44 might have a better barrel if you are looking for a good shooter. Whichever you choose, take your time and get one with a decent barrel. Maybe it is my imagination, but the extra weight of the laminated stock seems to reduce the recoil a little of my laminated stock M44 compared to a birch stock.
Hlavinka		#11	[-]
Posts: 2 (07/22/08 07:53 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Don't worry about a counterbore. My M38 is counterbored and it is the second best for accuracy in my collection. This is out of a dozen rifles '38's, '44's and 91/30's.
m1 talker		#12	[-]
Posts: 5975 (07/22/08 09:01 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Seems we talk a lot of the M38's here. I don't have one, but I got a couple of nice M91/59's that are splended shooters and they take the place of the M-38's that are lacking in my collection. Curt
Pahtu		#13	[-]
Posts: 2039 (07/22/08 11:34 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here is an old photo of M44's & a couple M38's I second the 91/59 as an accurate shooter - The one 91/59 I own is an excellent shooter. Pahtu.
snot slinger		#14	[-]
Posts: 12 (07/22/08 11:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	man i cannot find any m38 around here is it godd to buy a gun from the internet?
Pahtu		#15	[-]
Posts: 2040 (07/22/08 12:22 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Word has it that importers are having difficulty finding more M38's - I have bought a few guns from the auction sites & have yet to be burned from a misadvertised rifle, or a crook - But I have read scary stories where folks got took on buys from the auctions, or sellers who get head case buyers - You do take a chance buying sight unseen...... Best bet if you want a good one? Look up Allans Armory or Empire Arms, they will ask much more for their guns, but you will get what is advertised because their descriptions are very accurate. Do they have any M38's in stock? I dunno, but I do know that Empire Arms will put your name on a search list if you are willing to pay for a nice one. Pahtu.
Mountain Doctor		#16	[-]
Posts: 2786 (07/22/08 12:27 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	A big welcome to our new members! Snot Slinger? Were all the other user names taken? (LOL) Nice to meet you too, Kris. I like both, but prefer the 44. Bayonets are so cool. Military. Personal... Plus, I'm cheap. seems like you get more for your money with the 44 :-) That said, they are inexpensive. Buy both. And a bunch of Mausers.

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