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Posts: 14 (07/23/08 06:11 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None does the bayonet really make a differencs on accuracy on the m44
altair4		#1	[-]
Posts: 17 (07/23/08 07:59 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	YEP, mine shoots 6" to the left at 50 yards if the bayonet is folded putting pressure on the right side of the stock.
gandog56		#2	[-]
Posts: 46 (07/23/08 10:34 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It affects my 91/30 a heck of a lot more than my M44. Go ahead, make my day.
zeebill		#3	[-]
Posts: 3233 (07/24/08 08:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Is a Blonde really dum? Before you answer my daughter is blonde or was anyway and she sure is smart! Just ask her! Bill
altair4		#4	[-]
Posts: 19 (07/25/08 10:00 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Gandog56, What is the affect on the point-of-aim on your 91/30 with and without the bayonet attached? As I said if the bayonet on my M44 is folded my carbine tendsto shoot to the left.
gandog56		#5	[-]
Posts: 55 (07/26/08 01:55 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	My 91/30 also shoots to the left if the bayonet is not attached. Go ahead, make my day.
m1 talker		#6	[-]
Posts: 5982 (07/26/08 05:07 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Same here as gandog56 mentioned. When I got the rifle, I wondered why the front sight was drifted so far from the mark. Obviously the previous owner reset the front sight to shoot without the bayonet. But I got so many of the dang 91/30's around here, I forget what one it was! Curt
zeebill		#7	[-]
Posts: 3236 (07/27/08 02:56 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Consistent shooting to the left is indicative of the way you pull the trigger according to what I read once. Reason I remember is I do that and I have a tendency to jerk the trigger. Once you have that habit it is very hard to break at least it has been for me. I worked with a coach for a bit a couple of years ago and he told me it will be something that will haunt me till the last shot I take. Bill
m1 talker		#8	[-]
Posts: 5985 (07/27/08 04:16 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	But why would it go back to shooting right on when you attach the pig sticker again? I can buy that for handgun shooting, but we are talking long, heavy rifles here. Curt
daengmei		#9	[-]
Posts: 311 (07/27/08 05:22 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm not at all a marksman and I do shoot differently (pulling left or right) depending on some rifle characteristics when I don't remember the basics. A thiner wrist area sometimes causes me to pull to the right with too much finger while the thicker wrist leads to shots going left. I know it's because I'm not remembering the correct finger placement. What Zeebill is talking about (I think) might be diagnosed with the targets you can find on this page http://www.reloadbench.com/pdf.html (scroll past halfway down, they look like a pie chart). I do believe there are a lot of variables to consider....that's why I'm lucky to just get on the target. Last Edited By: daengmei 07/27/08 05:25 PM. Edited 1 times.
eb in oregon	Zeebill, lookie here............	#10	[-]
Posts: 161 (07/27/08 06:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Once you have that habit it is very hard to break at least it has been for me. I worked with a coach for a bit a couple of years ago and he told me it will be something that will haunt me till the last shot I take. Your coach wasn't much of a coach if'n he said that. You can break any bad habit if you work at it. I'd suggest lots and lots of dry firing, doing the "Dime Drill' if you can get someone to work with you. It's hard work, but like anything else, you only get back what you put into it. Eric "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
gandog56		#11	[-]
Posts: 58 (07/28/08 02:35 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Consistent shooting to the left is indicative of the way you pull the trigger according to what I read once. Which would not explain why the point of aim would change when you attach the bayonet. I don't pull the trigger any different when it's attached. Go ahead, make my day.
altair4		#12	[-]
Posts: 22 (07/29/08 10:19 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Recall that the M44 bayonet is either folded or extended. If I shoot my rifle with the bayonet extended my rifle (carbine) shoots to point of aim. If I shoot the carbine carbine with the bayonet folded (putting pressure on the right side of the stock) it scatters shots about 6" to the left.
hoover		#13	[-]
Posts: 13 (07/29/08 12:25 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	my 44 is similar....bayonet out, shoots dead on....if i pull it in,, it shoots half foot to the left.....does anyone think if i taske it off, will it be centered again? when im slipping at the bench...me bein right handed. ill pull shots to the right....consistent groups...they just move an inch over...this is on my cz 452 .22......which is wicked at groups by the way
NotPC		#14	[-]
Posts: 5399 (07/29/08 01:06 PM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No one has mentioned barrel harmonics (applied physics). Some of the most accurate barrels made and used for match shooting are "free floating". That means that they are not touched by the stock and they certainly don't have goofy side-mounted, cantilevered weights hanging of of the side of the barrel - a weight that is sometimes behind the muzzle and sometimes may partially be in front of the muzzle. But extended or not, it is always exerting a moment of force down, applying torque (rotational force) powered by gravity. Some match barrels have 1" thick walls to minimize harmonics, or vibrations. These vibrations vary with the cartridge, cartridge load and bullet weight, burn rate of the powder, barrel material (lot to lot variances of steel), and barrel length. The physics of firearms is deceptively simple - that is to say that it is more complicated than it appears to be. Many little things are involved that most folks do not consider. When I was dabbling in CB radio decades ago I learned a few things about harmonics and wave lengths. With such a puny output, a base station had to be set up just right to "get out". CB frequencies are on an "11-meter" bandwidth. That measurement is in air. Co-ax cable is copper and that medium results in a different length of wave. Cutting my antenna cable to that length or half-lengths based on the copper conductor made a noticable difference. In physics, little things matter. You cannot hang such a weight on the end of a barrel without it NOT making a difference. And much like a barrel dampner, extending part or half of that weight forward of the muzzle definitely will impact the POI. Just a physical fact. Regards.

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