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K98 bayonet markings |
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Posts: 56 (03/20/08 07:23 PM) active member |
I just picked up a K98 bayonet and I'm wondering if someone can help me figure out what the markings mean on it. The Scabbard is marked F.W. Holler 1937
on one side, and 1173 on the other with a 4103 on the clip for the frog. The blade is marked 43asw on one side and 1552 on the other, with a 4103 on the metal
near the handle. I think the scabbard was made earlier than the bayonet, but the matching 4103 numbers make me wonder if it was forced to match by an arsenal
somewhere?
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Posts: 2 (03/20/08 09:43 PM) |
the 4103 is a post WWII marking
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Posts: 46 (03/20/08 11:20 PM) active member |
Most likely reworked in Yugoslavia post-war. Looks like the flashguard is gone. About half of the Yugo reworks are found sans flashguard. These are usually in
nice condition, as the Yugos culled out the beaters.
Whenever there is a simple error that most laymen fall for, there is always a slightly more sophisticated version of the same problem that the experts fall
for. Amos Tversky
www.worldbayonets.com/ 98k Bayonet Collector's Network (BCN) Member NRA Life Endowment Member C & R 03 FFL |
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Posts: 4 (11/20/08 03:39 PM) |
The bayonet looks like a Russian recapture. Ivan disassembled, put the parts in a bin, cleaned, and reassembled without concern as to the original German
serial numbers, and then reblued them. Then they would restamp the collar of the bayonet and the scabbard to create a new matching serial numbers. In fact
Ivan did the same thing with the K-98 rifles and those are further denoted with a cross-sword stamp which looks like an "x" on the receiver of the
rifle.
These bayos are great because they have been reworked and are less expensive than the original untouched, and naturally more expensive, matching k-98 bayos. As to your specific example, the bayo was made by E&F Horster in Solingen (the most common maker of K-98 bayos) in 1943 and you already know the scabbard was made by FW Holler in 1937. Personally I own two very similar examples of Russian rebuilds. |
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Posts: 124 (11/21/08 01:44 AM) |
I have never heard or read anything about the Russians refurbishing German 84/98. Do you have more information or documention?
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Posts: 137 (11/21/08 03:14 AM) |
I believe the oficial captured 98k bayonets were melted down in Sowjetunion, only rifles remained. best regards,Andy
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h2oys |
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Posts: 5 (11/24/08 04:08 PM) |
My understanding, and I own or have also seen, multiple examples of Russian re-worked K-98 bayos and rifles. Ivan redid both and hence the extra stampings on
the bayos described in my prior posting and the extra stamping (the x on the rifle and the serial number on the stock) and many times the electropencil serial
numbers on the rifles.
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Posts: 125 (11/27/08 01:52 AM) |
The Czechs used the crossed sword mark on VZ24 produced after the war - as a substitute for the Czech Lion mark.
Are you able to document this information about Russian reworks of German 84/98? /Amsfelder |
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h2oys |
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Posts: 6 (12/12/08 03:20 PM) |
You can check the mauser forum and just look for anyone who mentions a RC (Russian Capture) for more information on Ivans reworks of the k-98 rifles. |
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