Buy your Mosin Nagants "IF" you can find them....

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Dawes		#21	[-]
Posts: 364 (12/21/08 01:28 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well, in my neck of the woods (Arizona) there doesn't seem to be any shortage of Mosins. J&G Sales has their usual stock of M44's and M91/30's, Big 5 has them on sale periodically, and local sellers seem to be always offering them for sale. Hell, maybe they were all shipped here
pajax6		#22	[-]
Posts: 133 (12/21/08 05:41 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have talked to all the vendors. They are saying they are weeks behind in shipping. They also say if you want a Mosin Nagant, most have been counter bored on the first 3 inches in the front end. If you want one that is not counter bored, it will cost you extra. Some Mosin Nagants also have the "billboard" size import information on the side of the receiver. Be leary as to what you are ordering and what you are getting. Make sure you are not getting a Mosin Nagant from hell!
Dawes		#23	[-]
Posts: 365 (12/21/08 07:44 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Most Mosins on the market these days are refurbs and are in at least VG overall condition, although bore condition varies. It's always preferable to inspect firsthand before you buy (if that's possible), so most of mine have come from gun shows and Big 5. Some folks don't want a counterbored rifle, while it doesn't matter to others. I'd rather not, but if the rifle is in otherwise great condition (or has a year date that I'm looking for) then I would seriously consider it. Accuracy-wise, I don't think it makes a great deal of difference.
eagle7		#24	[-]
Posts: 3694 (12/21/08 09:29 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The day will come when a military rifle importation will end, and then Mosin Nagants will appreciate in value. The UN and certain international special interest groups are working on making that a reality. I expect the incoming presidential administration will be very proactive with the UN in banning the international firearms trade. Very soon countries like the Ukraine may receive US tax dollars from the UN to destroy Mosin Nagants that would ordinarily be imported to the US for the C&R market.
bambam91	M91/30's in abundance	#25	[-]
Posts: 36 (12/24/08 12:52 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I checked withy Bill first on this. He said it was OK to post. I found a place in Downtown Topeka, KS. Viking Pawn and Gun, 112 SE 8th St. 785-234-4146. They have 35 M91/30's all round receivers, some high walls, some low walls, dates from around 1938 to 1945. Izzy, and Tula arsenals. Pre-post and mid year stocks. 1/3 of them are conterbored. They look to be arsenal refurbs, or they are best looking lot of surplus guns ever. They come w/ all accesories ( bayo, sling, bottle, pouches, etc...) fpor $99.95. That is $107.50 out the door. They have M38's for $169.00 (high). 2 M91/59's for $225 (Very High). I checked on a couple of 03A3's I was interested in and they were not good deals. These M91/30's are in great shape, and it would not be hard for them to pick a good one for you. Check at local gunshows and at shooting clubs. I just found this place and I have been here for 15 years. A diamond in the rough! There ads are all about Viking Bail Bonds. So most people around here do not knpow about them. They just started going gunshows.
altera6		#26	[-]
Posts: 14 (12/24/08 02:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I started out with a shot out M44 form Big-5, then invested in reloading tools, (RCBS Dies, Lee Autoprime shell holder, culet (sp) for case trimmer). Since I already reload for two 303 Enfield Rifles I had plenty of bullets, primers and powder. Unfortunately, the M44s accuracy turned out to be rather disappointing. In a quest for better accuracy I found a pristine 1891/59 which frequently shoots into an inch at 50yd. Also have a Finnish M39 on the way. Last Edited By: altera6 12/24/08 02:44 PM. Edited 1 times.
m1 talker		#27	[-]
Posts: 6348 (12/24/08 05:58 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Can someone please explain to me what is meant by a low wall and a high wall Mosin Nagant rifle? I have only heard that term with the M1 Carbines before. Curt
bambam91		#28	[-]
Posts: 37 (12/26/08 01:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	M1 Talker: As I undersatand it, and what I meant, was the cut out on the left side of the receiver that was omitted during wartime production. The earlier rifles with the left side cut, scalloped, is considered a low wall. The later war rifles without the scallop is considered the high wall. I got this info from 7.62x54r.net. That is an excellent resource for MN's I hope this helps. Correct me if I am wrong anyone.
stantheman1986	No way	#29	[-]
Posts: 5214 (12/26/08 07:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	There is no way anyone is "out" of Mosins......what's next, are all the $120 Yugo M48's drying up? There has never been a more numerously produced bolt gun in history, and the refurb Mosins will never be "collectible" to the "upper crust" of collectors who have mint Trapdoors in safes that they handle with white gloves. At worst maybe in 5 years a refurb 91/30 will command a $250 price tag. If you can still find an 1866 Springfield, of which only 25,000 were made/converted, for under $1,000 then there is no way, out of 17+million 91/30's produced, not to mention 44's-38's and M91's, that these will ever be "rare". I know, apples and oranges, but I have my eye on an 1866 50-70 so it was the first thing to come to mind to compare it to. Check Gunbroker, there are 3 pages of refurb 91/30's for under $150. People are buying the cheapest rifle on the rack, in most cases it's a Mosin. Most of these will probably go to the range-woods-gravel pit one time and then sit in a closet. Sure hope these newbies remember to clean the bore after corrosive......and keep the hacksaws away from them so they can wind up back on the racks of the shop in more or less unabused condition Fast forward to 2010 and we'll be seeing racks of pitted bore M44's at the gun shop because all these new buyers shot 20 rounds of Czech through them and never cleaned. Im sure glad I put together a sizable collection of various Mosins from pre-98 M91's to the most "recent" East Bloc M44's from the 50's. I (used to) shoot my Mosins a lot, and there are some I haven't chambered a round in since 2004. I have 3 Finns right now(Tikka 91/30, VKT M91, and Sako M39) that I haven't fired yet, got them back in 2006.These rifles haven't seen round one, the M91 took more damage from my Mom knocking it over and dinging the stock then it ever did from use. I know a number of us are in the same boat, we have so much from past years of buying that a "shortage" of Mosins is not really a scare to a guy that has racks full of them. If you don't have racks full of them, get out there ASAP and start compiling an instant collection! I know even Gander Mt. had a few lammy 91/30's in the racks for $270 but hey, it's not TOO high a price for someone who wants to walk out with a laminate 91/30 right then and there instead of waiting or looking around. The importers may also be holding their breath to see what our new great leader will decide to do next. They may not want to get stuck with 20,000 91/30's that get banned under some wierd "anti military rifle" ban. They also may just be trying to clear out what they have left before importing a boatload of "Grade C" rifles. They also know many people are not renewing 03 licenses, which is surely a good portion of their sales. The best of the imports, non-CB perfect stock minty bore rifles may be gone, but a lot of these are now being sold for a "premium" on the online auction sites. The days of the gorgeous "beefy" stocked, nice figured wood, non CB sharp bored $50 91/30 is gone..... Who knows how many Mosins lie still in cosmo wrap in crates over in the Ukraine.......and also in the Russian Federation. I don't think the new regime will help out any with lifting the import ban from Russia, there are probably many thousands of rifles in storage there. We just don't know, maybe the Ukraine storage sites are running dry, maybe there are a million rifles left....only time will tell Last Edited By: stantheman1986 12/26/08 08:29 PM. Edited 1 times.
cosmo05		#30	[-]
Posts: 153 (12/27/08 09:01 AM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	m1 talker wrote: Can someone please explain to me what is meant by a low wall and a high wall Mosin Nagant rifle? I have only heard that term with the M1 Carbines before. Curt Here ya go: http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFeatures01.htm Anything you ever wanted to know about an MN is on this site.
Hatsumiya		#31	[-]
Posts: 6 (12/27/08 05:22 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	All I know is that I don't want the prices to go up. Please no! I used to have some Mosins in the past but sold them. After a few years I decided I would like to try again. I just purchased a 1942 Izzy 91/30 from Big 5. It's a very common rifle but it's nice to have one again and the prices are only just slightly higher from a few years ago. The Mosin bug bit me again. But all this talk makes me nervous though. It's harder for me to buy these weapons now cuz of the economy and a layoff. I'm not a rich man nor retired with pension. I live in Orange County CA and most of the gun shops here have dried up. The few that are left like the one in nearby Westminister have super high prices. $1000 Garands, $2000 M-14s, $1000 M-1 Carbines, $500 K-31s, $400 Finn Mosins and I never see the average Russian MNs. I guess the attitude here is that real gun collectors don't by inexpensive guns. I read about many of you guys and all the great Mosin Nagant rilfes that you find for reasonable prices in other states. I think that is so great and I wish I could take part in that but here in CA...the LA Fairplex Gun Show is gone forever. I'm not even sure there is still one in Costa Mesa plus regulations and paperwork now. That Gun shop in Westminister wants a $125 fee for gun transfers so no online purchases for me. I hate this state. I know Mosin Nagants will not disappear for a long time to come but will I be able to afford them in the future? Plentiful and cheap Mosin Nagants seams like the last hope for a gun enthusiast of meager means like myself. I think I'll stop....suddenly I feel hopeless "Generally speaking, the Way of the Warrior is resolute acceptance of death" - Miyamoto Mushashi Last Edited By: Hatsumiya 12/27/08 05:30 PM. Edited 1 times.
Pahtu		#32	[-]
Posts: 2171 (12/27/08 06:26 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	1. "But all this talk makes me nervous though. It's harder for me to buy these weapons now cuz of the economy and a layoff. I'm not a rich man nor retired with pension." 2. "I'm not a rich man nor retired with pension." 3. "I hate this state." 1. MN's are the best buy for the collector - Nothing lasts forever, but inexpensive MN's should be around for a good long while. I don't know of any of us who are well heeled - Most of us scrimp & save to get what we have - It ain't easy sometimes.... 2. The only investment many of us have that has not tanked is the value of our milsurps....I don't think any of us are truly rich.... 3. I would have to have a job that paid insane wages to live in that state, otherwise I would move to Nevada.....That state has some cool gunshows... I hear ya about things getting hard - Stick in there, times will get better for all... Pahtu.
m1 talker		#33	[-]
Posts: 6360 (12/27/08 06:49 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	$125 for a simple few minutes to do a transfer? That is highway robbery no matter how you look at it! We bitch and moan about a $20 transfer fee! But I can see slipping the 01FFL a Jackson to help him out in these trying times, as we do not want to see them all disappear. They know they have you over a barrelhead with transfer fees, but this amount is about as anti-gun as you can get! These guys who rip you off like that will get their just reward in the end! Curt
stantheman1986	Scrimping!	#34	[-]
Posts: 5217 (12/27/08 08:46 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I feel that the main "glut" of Mosins may be kind of ending, but there will be plenty bouncing around here in the states to satisfy the needs of anyone who wishes to own one, a few or lots of them. I have read about gun dealers buying them by the crate when they were $40 a piece direct from the importer and now are selling the "cherries" for $170-200 and the rest for at least $100. One of my local dealers did this, he had a crate each of M44's and 91/30's and it was "Any" for $130. He still has a bunch on the rack, surely he socked away a few crates to sell off as cheap deer rifles here in PA. Kind of makes me wonder where all the cheap Nagant revolvers went..........haven't seen any at the spots I used to a few years ago. Gander had a few in the $150 range but surprisingly (around here) they sold. I think, like Mosins, the Nagant revolvers sell because people see a cheap military revolver for $100 or so and just buy it, and then hunt down ammo later or the dealer just tells them to shoot .32 longs in it. I have lived on hard boiled eggs and rice for 2 weeks because I overdrew my account buying guns and then realized I also had to pay bills.......but hey, I came away with a Polish Mauser and 4 M91's! Yeah it's a sickness, but I know guys who are just as if not more obsessive about cars, saving for months to get their Neon blown out with NOS. It's all about what makes you happy, I guess is what it comes down to. In my late teens and early 20's during my college days, partying and girls made me happy. Now in my late 20's, I have calmed down a bit and focus more on guns and distance running as my main hobbies. Away from home at Ft. Drum I can't do anything with guns (of my own), so I just try to put the mileage on in running (other than when I'm forced to) when I can to keep myself sane!
scooter222		#35	[-]
Posts: 4964 (12/28/08 12:58 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Wait.... What????? Theres no more Mosins? Shoot I better stop using them for rebar and firewood. "I have lived on hard boiled eggs and rice for 2 weeks" Oh Stan, I thought there was a bad smell in the snow coming from the great white north! Oh and good luck up at Ft.Drum. 10th Mountain rocks. Theres alot to do in Watertown and your a 1/2 hour to Canada if you want some great beer. Last Edited By: scooter222 12/28/08 03:43 PM. Edited 2 times.
skywarp989		#36	[-]
Posts: 3215 (12/28/08 02:12 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Don't worry, guys. There are tens of thousands, if not more, of these refurb Mosins overseas still waiting to be imported. The market is saturated. If the racks at your watering hole are empty, they'll fill up again. Just wait for Bubba to quit buying them for his nieces and nephews (after he "improves" them of course) and they'll be everywhere again. They're still at all the gun shows and my local Dunham's probably has a dozen on the rack.
Hatsumiya		#37	[-]
Posts: 7 (12/28/08 04:06 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yeah, I guess there really is not too much to worry about. I know I will feel better when I pick up my 91/30 next week at Big 5. I was just havin' the So Cal blues. I was born and raised here but I want to leave permanently. I have obligations to family and children that's what keeps me here for now. Now if I can convince my wife that just one Mosin Nagant is not enough. When she met me I had six MNs and a total of 30 milsurps. As a former member of the Philippnes National Police she was very impressed with my firearms. She thought they were very cool. That was when she was my girlfriend. As a wife...well things have changed somewhat. She still likes my much smaller firearms collection but after I purchased the 91/30 I mentioned to her that I thought I might pick up another in the near future. Her reply: Why? You already have ONE now......... ONE?..........sigh. Yup, get 'em IF you can "Generally speaking, the Way of the Warrior is resolute acceptance of death" - Miyamoto Mushashi Last Edited By: Hatsumiya 12/28/08 04:12 AM. Edited 1 times.
stantheman1986		#38	[-]
Posts: 5219 (12/28/08 07:35 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	That's how you know you're a real gun enthusiast (nut) is when you know that one is not going to be enough. The after that you think 20 is not enough. Oh yeah, there's a lot to do in Watertown, at Ft. Drum (Ft. Drunk) but the army is getting really gay up there, you can hardly even go out for a few drinks without getting hassled, they have a "courtesy patrol" that is a few army guys who drive around in a van making sure people don't get in trouble......every company has to take turns giving up guys for it every weekend, with each platoon making 3 or 4 guys on Fri, Sat, and Sun night drive this van around stopping at all the bars to make sure none of our guys get "out of control".On the weekend I like to get away from all the army crap and I can't even go out without seeing dudes in ACU's popping their heads in the bars keeping tabs on people. Now I just sit in my room and play video games, at least for now.......too easy to get in trouble in Watertown these days! After being thrown out of a few bars because of my drunk friends I decided to lay low for a while.
Ed Novak		#39	[-]
Posts: 1765 (12/28/08 08:35 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"Its Tommy this and Tommy that and throw 'im out, the brute. But 'es saviour of 'is country when the guns begin to shoot." Rudyard said it well more than a century ago. LECS member #2. NRA Life Member Last Edited By: Ed Novak 12/28/08 08:40 PM. Edited 1 times.