Also known as the M88 Mauser, Gew 88, Kar88, and Gewehr 88.
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mike hudson |
Afghan 88s |
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Recently, I acquired a decent KAR 88 through a serviceman returning from Afghanistan, who had purchased it at a bazaar there. It
was manufactured at Erfurt in 1896, has the "S" and "nm" modifications and was issued to the 5th Artillery Munitions Column, 10th Army
Corps. i got to wondering how it ended up in Afghanistan and came across a fascinating article about Niedermayer-Hentig Expedition of 1915-1916, a German
effort to enlist the Afghans into the war against Great Britain. An unknown but probably small number of German weapons were brought along and given as gifts
to the local rulers. Since the carbine shows no signs whatsoever of being "Turked," my guess is that it came directly from Germany, perhaps on that
very expedition.
I'd be interested in hearing from anyone else who has an 88 that recently came out of Afghanistan. It might be worthwhile to
compare notes.
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Plevna |
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Mike: I'll admit that I was unaware of the German expedition you mentioned and this is a new one to me. Fascinating! You may be the only person in this
country to own such a carbine. This would make a worthy article for The Military Rifle Journal.
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A1Coyote |
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I don't know of any Gew or Kar 88's coming out of Afghanistan, but I have an M18 stahlhelm that a soldier brought back from there in 2002. There has
also been a lot of German ersatz bayonets that came out of that country too. My helmet was bought from a junk yard that the US Army recovered a M17 Renault
tank, which has been taken to the US for restoration. The "Old" Afghan Army used the helmets. I figure they must have gotten the equipment from
Turkey. Just a guess on my part, haven't researched it.
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mike hudson |
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thanks guys...i am planning an article, i write often for guns & shooting online, but would still like to hear about other examples if only to get a sense
of how many kar/gew 88s we're talking about. i'd imagine that, in comparison to the snyders and martini-henrys, not too many!
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Terminal99 |
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It's only speculation on my part, but I bet that any old military item sells very well at those bazaars. If I was an Afghan selling at these markets to the
servicemen, I would try find as much merchandise as possible to sell. I would not put it past them to import some old guns and bayonets from other countries.
The stuff they're selling to our servicemen they probably could not give away before 2001.
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mike hudson |
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most of what they're selling is british, or khyber pass copies of british rifles and revolvers dating back to the 19th century. there have been some 88s
though, in addition to mine. also some soviet nagants, tokarevs, broomhandles etc. my understanding is that everyone over there is armed, there's a
shooting war going on, so i would think that any arms smuggling being done would likely involve modern weapons with more value, practical and tactical. the
fact that the one i have shows no signs of ever having been to turkey or any other third country leads me to believe it went straight to afghanistan from
germany.
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AlphaRomeo329 |
Model 1888 Karabiner | ||
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I recently returned from Afghanistan after 25 months in-country and I bought several Model 88, Carbine and Infantry models
with all matching serial numbers.. The Carbine were manufactured by Erfurt Arsenal dated 1892, 1894 and the Infantry was by Danzig Arsenal with "S"
on the top of the receiver. I also bought an original 1893 Borchardt pistol with S/N 1619 and original black leather holster.. It is beautiful considering its
over 114 years old. They only produced 3000 and production stopped in 1897 when it was re-designed to present day Luger P08. I bought 14 rifles and seven
pistols..manufactured before 1897.. The date that are permitted to be legally mailed back to the United States..
If you are a curio collectors, there are many opportunities to start serious weapons collection without going broke. |
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mike hudson |
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thanks alpha, for both the info and your service...did the 88's you picked up show signs of being turked, crescent moon stamps or ottoman markings on the
rear sights?
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A1Coyote |
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AlphaRomeo329
Welcome home to the land of the Big BX! You all are doing a great job out there, thank you for your service to our country. |
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I'm not sure how much I'd rely on signs of being "Turked" as an indication of whether the arms came via the Ottoman Empire or not. Most of
the signs of being "Turked" occured from actions taken after WWI in various rebuilds. Arms flowing through the Empire during WWI would not have had
these marks...and that flow was considerable. Considering that neighboring Persia was split between warring pro-German and Pro-Russian forces during the war,
there would have been lots of opportunity for German arms to flow over the Afghan border besides from direct military aid....particularly considering the
"acquisition habits" of the time. In all likelihood this association explains the number of Berdan II rifles coming out of Afghanistan as well.
While Germany sent such missions to virtually all countries bordering on allied interests, the history of arms in Afghanistan has to give one pause before concluding any given arm was from any given source without direct documentation. |
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