Not familiar with prices on these. Very nice rifle, $179.00
Can some one help me out?

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This 1891 Mauser I looked at today looks good. All matching, 7.65.
Not familiar with prices on these. Very nice rifle, $179.00 Can some one help me out? ![]() skd.
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and has a good barrel...then that is a great price.....Is it a long rifle or a carbine..??
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Long Rifle, small ring. Barrel is great.
skd
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Aubullet |
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Buy it, you'll like it!!!
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NC Cruffler |
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Buy it or tell me where it is, please.
Dave
Dave Green, NRA Life Member since 1973
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Sad Day,
When I pointed out to him that it had been drilled and tapped, and the bolt had been turned down. He came down to $150. Every thing else is ok, stock is complete. I put it on lay-a-way any why. Well, I wanted it. Good enough reason for me. ![]() skd
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Drilled and tapped where? Some of these were apparently drilled and tapped on the side of the receiver for a scope mount that came over the top of the
receiver. Also, I think most of these bolts wee turned down direct from the factory?
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Skeyed |
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This one is drilled on top. I didn't think of checking the front holes. Hope they are not drilled through.
They are in line. The rifle is in very good condition otherwise.Stock in complete. skd
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I would pass it and look for an untouched one. It might cost you 50 bucks more, but will grow in value much better than the sporterised one. And, there's
still plenty of them around.
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Am I getting mixed message's here?
Did some one say the 1891 Argentine with the crest intact is hard to find. Or is it just the ones that haven't been altered. Either way this is the first one I've found. I have noticed a few K-models and 1909's. But this is the first one of these I have seen. I frequent about 10 "ten" gun shops each month, if they are out there I haven't seen them. I already put it on lay-a-way and if it is not drilled through the receiver I will stick to my commitment. If it was drilled through I am sure the man will understand my point of view. Thank you all for the input. skd
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Aubullet |
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Sad that it's been D&T, but with a good bore it will be a very good shooter. If nothing else you can go ahead and use the holes for a scope mount,
without feeling bad because you didn't ruin the rifle's collector value yourself, so that the rifle can be better used for load developement and
testing. On the long rifle, the crest being intact is uncommon in any condition, even altered! For $150 I wouldn't even think twice, it would be mine
pronto!!!
I admit to being prejudiced in this instance, but the 1891 Argentine Mauser is one of the finest of the military bolt rifles ever built! IMHO. |
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Will be bringing the 1891 home Friday. Sorry I won't be able to post pictures.
My machine doesn't want to cooperate with any of the picture posting outfits. I am still on ssssslllllooooowwwwwww. dddddiiiiiaaaaallll uuuupppp. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() skd
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I think collector's value was gone when almost all of the long rifles were de-crested by Argentinians before selling them as surplus. Drilling the action
for a scope and turning down the bolt was just throwing a jar of water into a flood. For the price it sounds good; I'd get it as a fun
"restoration" proyect, patching the holes by fitting them with a proper set of screws and then filing them down; also I'd either repair the bolt
or get a correct bolt body replacement if the first option is not easy or cost-wise.
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ADCC said
"I think collector's value was gone when almost all of the long rifles were de-crested by Argentinians before selling them as surplus." I don't entirely agree with that statement, as it is something the original military arsenals did before they left their control, thus it is a real part of the firearms history. It is not something that Bubba did after he got it from some importer. I won't argue that the one's with their crest still intact shouldn't be worth more, but I will argue that even the one's that have been scrubbed still do have collector's value and interest, though perhaps somewhat less. If it is as you say, then perhaps the Swedish M96/38, an RC K98k, a Finn captured SA Moisin or even a Colt's Cap & Ball conversion, have no collector value either! Just a point to consider, as to what the meaning of collectible could or should be. IMHO! |
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I partly agree with you. To me any military gun that can still be restored to the original military looks no matter if using a replacement stock, different
caliber barrel or else and still be able to fire while looking as issued it's a collectible gun. Unfortunately the real values and standards are set by
those die-hard "extremists" who see a gun that's not a 100% factory original or at least "correct" as a "mere shooter",
unworthy of their attention and usually regarded as ruined as a collectible item; that's why no matter how nice and well-preserved a common Israeli K98k
is, it would almost NEVER reach the desire level and monetary value of a Wermatch-issued K98k in the same condition. Nor a perfectly and professionally
restored to 100% correct factory standards Mauser C96 Large Ring model would be as worthy as an "unmolested" piece
Regarding the Argentinian situation, at least for me those government arsenal modifications are fine if they are meant to keep the rifle in serviceable condition, like the one made to the original double-flip rear sights (Probably altered sometime around the beginning of the 20th. century) by the Argentinians to use the then new Spitzer bullet with different ballistic behavior of the original and heavier round-nose bullet which this rifles were intended to use; They kept the original barrels and modified the rear sights by removing the flip up piece and probably renumbering the scale, and we choose removing the entire barrel and replacing it with a new SIG-made fitted with Lange-style sights, but anyway in both cases, guns were altered to keep them in duty. Problem in my book is that the crest removal was only made apparently to comply a dumb Argentinian law that stated that any gun bearing the National Crest had to suffer this procedure to remove it due to some kind f national pride (Same thing was done to old Steyr pistols if I recall), having nothing to do with the gun potential tu properly work as such, thus damaging the "collector value" (Don't get me wrong...I'd throw my arms around ANY cheap decent Argie regarding the crest status) since at least from my point of view it has nothing to do with the firearm history as such and equally compared to what any Bubba, American or Argentinian, could have done to it. Some state that this was made to hide a rifle sale to Bolivia during the Chaco war (A childish effort if I might say), but I've seen around here a few low serial number 1891s (with As and Bs prefixes) still bearing the Argentinian crest, and according to the owners those guns were smuggled from Bolivia many years ago, so I have to disagree with that particular statemet; Apparently this was really done much later, around the late '50s, with a batch of Colt Sistema 1927 pistols -1911A1 clones made under license in Argentina and stamped with the Argentinian crest - sold to Bolivia and delivered by train during a military coup or other kind of political unrest along with machineguns, anti-tank shoulder weapons (PIATs?), heavy machineguns and other small weaponry.....common practice among the Argie government by the way since they'll later smuggle weapons to Ecuador (Early '90s with Menem as President) while they were more than a few shots being exchanged with us in our common border, even though they were observers and warrants of the peace agreement signed after the 1941 war between Ecuador and Peru
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I did mention some where back in the thread that the crest was still in tact.
At any rate, is it possible they could have re barreled a carbine with a long barrel? I found some where the carbines had the turned down bolt. skd
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Well, may be it's not an Argentine, It does have the flip up rear sight.
Sorry to put the delay on things but it will not come home til I get my Stem $$$$$$$$.skd ![]()
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