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sgmccutcheon	.308 Venezuelan	Lead	[-]
Posts: 105 (03/06/09 10:02 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Has anyone fired this ammo? Any info would be appreciated...thanks.
m1 talker		#1	[-]
Posts: 6585 (03/06/09 10:44 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	When I had a rifle that shot that caliber, it did as good as any 7.62X51 ammo it seems. I don't know if it was corrosive or not, but being that most NATO stuff is non-corrosive, I still cleaned the rifle like it was corrosive. I had a few problems with a few rounds not wanting to chamber, which was due to the neck size being too big in diameter. A friend of mine has a new M1A and it constantly jams when shooting this CAVIM stuff, probably for the same reason. But it is nice looking ammo and when I had bunches of it, it was quite cheap. Can't say that nowadays, however. Curt
beanstrung		#2	[-]
Posts: 5107 (03/06/09 09:08 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Straight from Uncle Hugo's "Victory Garden"... ...strange, I did not know that Venezuela was a member of NATO. They are not listed as one of the "member countries" on the NATO website: http://www.nato.int/structur/countries.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10
m1 talker		#3	[-]
Posts: 6589 (03/06/09 09:55 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sorry, I know that. I was just using the term NATO to describe the caliber of the cartridge, as I hate to call the 7.62X51 round a .308 cartridge. Curt
sgmccutcheon		#4	[-]
Posts: 106 (03/06/09 10:53 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It's alittle corroded as seen in the photo, the other boxes are sealed. I paid $20.00 for 200 rounds, how bad can that be? If they blow up....pretty bad. We'll see, the rifle, I bought along with the ammo, needs some TLC so it will be a while before I fire them. Thanks for the input.
brass rat		#5	[-]
Posts: 2007 (03/07/09 10:45 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The differant colored primer sealant would bother me a bit more than a little corosion. Some sort of repack? I have a couple hundred rounds of Cavim 1985 7x57 that was purported to be non-corrosive but the 1916 I tried it out in started getting a crusty bore a few days later. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why not join us at Milsurp After Hours handloading forum Last Edited By: brass rat 03/07/09 10:54 AM. Edited 1 times.
Japlmg		#6	[-]
Posts: 291 (03/07/09 12:36 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The ammo is normally good plinking stuff. Early dates are berdan primed, but later dates in the 80's and onwards is boxer primed. The brass is of good quality, and is very much reloadable. As to being corrosive or not, just treat all surplus ammo as corrosive and clean accordingly. Gregg
sgmccutcheon		#7	[-]
Posts: 107 (03/07/09 09:33 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Words to shoot by, I noticed the colored primer sealant was different. Just checked four other boxes, all different colored, a couple with no color. Good point, must have been repacked at some time. Thanks again for the input.
beanstrung		#8	[-]
Posts: 5110 (03/07/09 11:00 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	m1 talker wrote: Sorry, I know that. I was just using the term NATO to describe the caliber of the cartridge, as I hate to call the 7.62X51 round a .308 cartridge. Curt Not your words, Curt... Look at the wording on the package... straight from Hugo's printing press, I guess he's a NATO "wannabee"...? Also, why do some of the primers have red lacquer sealant, and some have green lacquer sealant, all in the same box? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10 Last Edited By: beanstrung 03/08/09 09:15 AM. Edited 2 times.
beanstrung		#9	[-]
Posts: 5111 (03/07/09 11:08 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	sgmccutcheon wrote: I paid $20.00 for 200 rounds, how bad can that be? I think you need to go back and buy as many rounds as you can before Uncle Hugo raises the price! It's well worth a dime a round even if it's corrosive, and causes Hugo to become "Presidente-for-life". --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10
sgmccutcheon		#10	[-]
Posts: 108 (03/08/09 10:34 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Unfortunately these came from uncle Randy-dog (long story and not a pretty one) and that's all he had.
Carl Gustav		#11	[-]
Posts: 3317 (03/19/09 09:40 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	That ammo was made when Hugo was in diapers. Well, not exactly, but.... Carl
NC Cruffler		#12	[-]
Posts: 512 (03/20/09 06:43 AM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've had excellent results reloading CAVIM stamped cases. Dave Dave Green, NRA Life Member since 1973
svt194		#13	[-]
Posts: 44 (03/23/09 10:26 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Compared to South African or austrian 308, Cavim was very inaccurate-shot it from different weapons with the same result.
akitaholic		#14	[-]
Posts: 705 (03/30/09 01:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yeah, can't blame everything on Hugo. Even if he is in line to be the next Fidel. If the stuff is repacked, as it seems, shot-to-shot variation could be expected. 'holic
Ken Shabby		#15	[-]
Posts: 470 (04/24/09 09:49 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	beanstrung wrote: m1 talker wrote: Sorry, I know that. I was just using the term NATO to describe the caliber of the cartridge, as I hate to call the 7.62X51 round a .308 cartridge. Curt Not your words, Curt... Look at the wording on the package... straight from Hugo's printing press, I guess he's a NATO "wannabee"...? Is it because the cartridge is officially named "7.62x51mm NATO"? In that case, I suppose it does not matter who is using it, it's still a NATO standard....just a guess.
ALLONS		#16	[-]
Posts: 51 (04/25/09 12:57 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The crap they used to seal the bullet is pretty close to roofing tar. I don't like to use it in my semi-autos because of the extra work it takes to clean the chamber. Being basically lazy, I have relegated its use to my bolt rifles only. Like svt194 said, it's not target ammo, works OK for plink'in and it always goes bang. 8 to 10 years ago, when it was 13 cents per rd, my shoot'in buddies & I bought a lot of it, yours is the first re-pack I've ever seen.
Crunch130		#17	[-]
Posts: 863 (04/25/09 01:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Guys, This is a case where it might be wise to take what the box says with a grain of salt. I would NOT automatically assume the ammo is loaded to NATO specs or has the same quality standards. If someone can show me an actual NATO-country document endorsing this stuff, I may change my mind. My only 7.62 rifle is an Israeli K98, and this CAVIM ammo causes stiff bolt lift. And lousy accuracy. The other REAL 7.62 NATO ammo I have tried, as well as commercial .308 Winchester, does not have this problem. I did notice the "brass" is much more silver colored than normal, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was too much zinc or potmetal in this brass to make it cheaper. Might explain the stiff bolt lift, which you wouldn't notice in a semiauto. But it begs other questions, like whether they used powder of the proper burn rate or not. The NATO standards are only useful if the manufacturer actually follows them! Regards, Crunch

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