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zeebill |
A Word to the Wise! Please read! |
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Did you know that making your own reloads and selling them makes you an unlicensed manufacturer and subject to ATF charges? You also may be charged for not
paying the excise tax by the ATF. These statues have never been enforced by the Bush and previous administrations but the current one in keeping with the rest
of their actions is actively enforcing this! I know of what I speak and in no way want to make this into a politically slanted post so please do not make
comments in anyway that might get this post pulled off! I simply want everyone to know and realise this is a law that is being enforced so what your butt.
Bill
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eagle7 |
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I wonder if this enforcement will affect the merchants on GunBroker who sell reloads?
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JTB1967 |
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I would hope anyone that would sell their own reloads would have a pretty good commercial insurance. It's a good way to get sued for everything you own.
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JoeTinVA |
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What type of license would be required ? I thought a manufacturers licence was for firearms.
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JoeTinVA wrote:Like Zeebill, I wasn't aware of this rule, until last fall when I got a table at a gun show, and the guy next to me had a side business making ammo. He told me about his license, it is for the manufacture of ammo, but I don't remember what "class" it is. His ammo is not technically "reloads", I guess, as he uses all new components. |
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He who lives by the sword, should go out and get a really nice sword. |
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Mountain Doctor |
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No way would I sell my reloads and accept that liability.
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I have given a few away and occasionally custom load hunting ammo for friends but once you start doing it for money it's a whole new ball game.
The ATF license is just the start of it, then you get to deal with the local and state regulators, local business license, fire marshal, zoning, neighborhood busybodies, etc.
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I do not load any ammunion, or ever have. But it is a subject I have read up on and studied over the years quite a bit, so my knowledge of it is all
booklearned stuff. But I well remember the warnings in the older Hornady reloading manuals and the one by Speer about you should NEVER shoot anybody else's
reloads and you should not expect them to shoot yours. And the printing dates on some of these books was back before we became what we are today, society wise,
with all the lawsuits and such.
I have only fired someone else's reloads once, and that was enough to convince me. A guy I worked with had a pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 in .30-06 caliber and he was always trying to come up with hopped up loads in it. He once loaded some 220 grain Remington Core-Lokt round nose bullets in front of some powder that I don't recall now, but he said it was a very compressed charge, so to examine every bullet in the magazine before chambering it to make sure it has not come unseated from the case. He said they would not chamber in his Model 70, so, like a dummy, I said I would try them in my 1918 Rock Island 1903. Yeah, they chambered fine, but when I touched them off, it was like firing a .458 Lott! The old stump we had for a target that simply absorbed other .30-06 rounds literally exploded when hit with one of those bullets. But the worst part was that I nearly had to get the tire jack handle out of the pickup to pry the bolt open! And that 1903 has the slickest operating bolt of any bolt action rifle I have ever seen, as dad had it polished when he had the rifle sporterized back before I was born. When I did manage to get the bolt open, the cartridge was quite difficult to extract, and it took some assistance with a ramrod down the bore to knock it out. The other cartridges in the magazine had the bullets about 1/8" of them sticking out past the cannuleur. So I unloaded them and simply pulled the bullets out by hand and poured the powder on the ground and set a match to it. I made up my mind right then and there to NEVER shoot anyone else's reloads again after that. I figure if I needed something bigger and more powerful than a .30-06, then I would buy one of the magnum calibers. Curt |
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What about selling some surplus ammo?
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SeanMcMillion |
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Wouldnt the sale of reloads using once-fired brass get you in trouble copyright wise with the company whos brass you're selling with your reload?
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Mountain Doctor |
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I've made my share of errors reloading. Usually improperly seated primers. So far no squibs or overloads, but it could happen. Of course, sometimes factory
and surplus ammo is defective also. Just a small finite risk we take in the process of enjoying our hobby.
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SeanMcMillion wrote:I don't think so, read the information on the box of brass or loaded ammo. The mfr's have very limited liability for problems with their loaded ammo and virtually no liability with what we do with their brass whether we use it for wind-chimes or for reloading - what we do with their brass is our personal liability. I've been reloading since 1965, for many calibers. Used to reform brass for what I needed when I was young and poor. Never had a single problem in all the past years with my reloads. Never sold or gave any of my reloads to anyone for their use - if my reloads were problematic, I wanted me to be the one to know that, not someone else. Do I trust milsurp and commercial ammo? Without a doubt. The industrial standards used are, in my opinion, faultless in comparison with my work. Commercial ammo, in particular, is loaded to a standard that virtually absolutely guarantees the manufacturer that their corporate attorney's will be paid for not having to defend them. The commercial, and likely the surplus ammunitions are probably safer than many of the arms they are used in. "Caveat emptor" sort of thing. I recently bought two boxes of reloads in order to get the Herter's brand brass - for "old times' sake". The boxes have labels on them listing the bullet weight/type and the powder type/weight but there is no way in H... that I will fire these reloads in my M96. Probably ought to get the kinetic bullet puller out and download the rounds before they get lost to posterity.
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ball3006 |
I don't shoot anyone else's reloads..... | ||
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and I don't reload for anyone else. If anyone wants reloads, I will let them use my press and dies while I closly watch them. I have been reloading for
over 40 years. I understand the license is for commercial purposes. I will get out my regs and see what they now say. When can I expect the JBTs to kick in
my door and take all my guns and ammo and put my body in the black bag.........chris3
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eli griggs |
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It's funny but a couple of days ago, right before this thread was posted, a neighbor asked me to reload some 30-06 for him from his saved cases. I told him
in no uncertain words that I would not, now or ever. The next thing I told him was I would be more than happy to lend him the tools and books he needed to do
it himself and I'd even walk him through it after he'd read up on the subject. The Lee Classic Loader in that caliber should get off on the right foot
and the Lyman and Lee books should make it easy enough to learn what-is-what.
IMO, people who don't reload themselves are way better off having a 'professional', whom knows he/she is liable and accepts the responsibility to do it for them or buy factory stuff. Youtube has it's more than its share of guns being blown-up by stupidity and bad loads and that should be warning enough that, diligent care and attention is not an option, it's a must.
"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~
"In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - .223, 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .308 Win, .303 Brit, 7.7 WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows |
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slumlord44.britishmilitari... |
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Selling reloads without the proper liscense is asking to go to jail. I have one friends reloads that I trust. I also trust him with everything else that I own.
Got some loaded .25-21 Stevens ammo on GB a while back. Friend insisted that I take one apart to get some idea what was in them. They were full of some type of
smokless powder. This would have been verry bad for my Stevens single shot. Refilled them with black powder. No problem.
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