Now wheel weights are evil too?

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beanstrung		#21	[-]
Posts: 5197 (04/22/09 09:17 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	We'll all be OK, after they send us off for "political re-education"... or, we could melt down our kid's toy soldiers, a la Mel Gibson in "The Patriot". --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10
HoosierDaddy		#22	[-]
Posts: 5424 (04/22/09 10:08 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I call the Lo Flush toilets "no flush toilets". Either that or liberal toilets. They don't work and they are mostly full of it. Ash Iron Construction
scooter222		#23	[-]
Posts: 5032 (04/22/09 10:19 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Theres still good WWs out there. just stay away from the "shiny" ones . They usualy are zinc and will wreck a pot of alloy. Just use the dull, crusty ones. As far as exsposure to bad things...... In my junior and senior year in technical electronics we rewired the whole school's intercom. I was one of the lightes guys so I worked on top of the old style drop celings. I'm sure it was a asbestose mix. All the concrete above the ceiling was sprayed with asbestos. Man I cam down from there covered in dust. How ironic would it be if I come down with lung cancer and have never smoked except a cigar for weddings or a birth.
volgakraut	Hey Doc	#24	[-]
Posts: 233 (04/23/09 03:40 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Looks like you folks up in Washington 'scooped' us on the wheel weights. For some reason, California was not the first state to enact wheel weight legislation. We must be slipping down here ? I'll bet we must have ten similar laws in the process down here right now, to make up for it !! Volga
m1 talker		#25	[-]
Posts: 6685 (04/23/09 07:49 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	What surprizes me is the tires they make today are still not that well balanced from the factory. It seems that with all the new tire technology that has been developed in the past twenty years, they would be able to tighten up on the tolerances and make tires that don't require so many lead weights to balance them. Five years ago I bought a new set of studded snow tires for my Jeep Cherokee and noticed that one tire had nearly 50% of the rim filled with big wheel weights. And still if you got above 45mph, you were bouncing all over the place and the steering wheel was shaking from side to side. So I jacked up the front end and spun the tires by hand and noticed that the wheel with all the weights on it was a good half inch out of round! Obviously the guy at the tire shop was trying to balance an egg it appeared. I took the rig back in and said it was unacceptable, so they took the tire off and checked it and looked up a me and said they had never seen a tire that bad before on that brand of tire. They gave me a brand new tire, no questions asked, and it only had to use one small weight to balance it. So what I am saying is that if they think wheel weights create a problem for the environment, then why don't they make better tires that don't require so many of them, then the problem would disappear? But what I don't quite understand is how do they think the lead gets into the environment? Once a wheel weight is installed properly, it stays put until it is taken off purposedly. I have never heard of wheel weights coming off wheels while being driven. Curt
Aubullet		#26	[-]
Posts: 1128 (04/23/09 02:50 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I find wheel weights in the road, or along the side of it, fairly frequently. How or why they are coming off I can't really say, but obviously they do. But even then, they are staying relatively intact and I can't imagine more than a few grains getting dislodged from them, no matter how many times they may get run over. While chemically somewhat reactive, in most normal enviroments they will last for hundreds of years before corroding away to any significant degree. There is a natural background level of lead in the soil of most places, with it being quite high in some locals, depending on the natural occurance of related mineralization, but the plants and animals seem to do okay in those localities! The lead being found to cause problems in the environment, plants and animals is known to be almost exclusively tetra-ethyl-lead which does not form naturally from any alloy of metallic lead, but rather is a product of the leaded gasoline that was important to valve lubrication for the first 70 years of internal combustion engine design and metalurgy. The enviros know this full well, so obviously they have some other agenda in mind and are just using the ignorance of the general public to spread fear of a true non-issue to achieve their goals, whatever they may be!
Mountain Doctor		#27	[-]
Posts: 3443 (04/23/09 06:48 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	HoosierDaddy wrote: I call the Lo Flush toilets "no flush toilets". Either that or liberal toilets. They don't work and they are mostly full of it. Now that's funny! Wish I'd thought of that myself!
Mountain Doctor		#28	[-]
Posts: 3444 (04/23/09 06:59 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have another lead legislation related problem. Our piston airplane engines almost all operate on 100 octane leaded fuel. Many higher perfomance engines will not run on car gas. There are constant attempts to ban our Avgas which would ground most high performance piston airplanes. My (non high-performance) plane can safely and legally be operated on car gas, but not if it has alcohol in it, which most car gas does now. Again, thanks to the 'ecologists'.
m1 talker		#29	[-]
Posts: 6690 (04/23/09 07:27 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Doc- there was a big writeup in the local paper a few months ago about how the ethanol in the gasoline we buy now has put a stop on a lot of aircraft flying. I can just see it now, one of those environmentalists will have a child serious injured in some rural area, far from a hospital and dies as a result of not getting medical attention soon enough because Med Star and other aircraft were grounded because lack of AVGAS for them. It has really hurt the guys who fly vintage aircraft. Curt
Rustybore		#30	[-]
Posts: 862 (04/23/09 07:37 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Aubullet, I think we should call you Pbbullet. I, too, have found wheel weights along the road. I really don't walk the shoulders of roads looking for them, but I do sometimes find them laying around. Thanks for the education on lead. Explains why lead bullets are still found in good shape in the Civil War battlefields. Some oxidation, but still in relatively good shape. Kevin in Or.
Carl Gustav		#31	[-]
Posts: 3365 (04/23/09 09:38 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I assume, though I don't know, that once the exterior surface oxidizes it forms a protective layer slowing or eliminating further oxidation. Carl
Aubullet		#32	[-]
Posts: 1131 (04/24/09 04:02 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Carl Gustav wrote: I assume, though I don't know, that once the exterior surface oxidizes it forms a protective layer slowing or eliminating further oxidation. Carl It should be noted that aluminum is also a very toxic metal in everyday usage, as are many other commonly found elements, but so far the enviro's aren't villifying it in the same manner as they are using against lead. You are basically correct in your assumption, except that lead oxide is a weak, flakey compound that is easily eroded through abrasion and mechanical action, unlike aluminum oxide which is very tough and resists further weathering of the metal very well. However, whereas lead is only a weakly reactive metal in most environmental conditions, aluminum is a very highly reactive metal in many of those same environments. If it weren't for aluminum's nearly impervious oxide coatings very rapid formation, due to the high reactivity of the metal, it might well be almost impossible to use in everyday life. Aluminum is so reactive that when powdered and mixed with powdered rust (iron oxide) it will actually steal the oxygen radical away from the iron at a rate that allows for intense combustion at temperature levels capable of welding, torch cutting or incindiary weaponry applications. Magnesium behaves in a similar fashion, but is generally non-toxic in biological systems, as is iron.
Carl Gustav		#33	[-]
Posts: 3368 (04/24/09 07:19 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	How is aluminum toxic? Carl
m1 talker		#34	[-]
Posts: 6692 (04/24/09 07:24 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	All I can say is that Aluminum can be very toxic if it enters your blood stream directly! When I was a toddler, I had polio, as the Salk vaccine had not been developed yet. I wore aluminum leg braces for two years and at one point, they broke and dug into my leg. I ended up spending time in the hospital (Shriners) due to the blood poisoning I got from the aluminum. So NOT kid your self and think it is not. How many warnings have you seen on aluminum pots and pans about overheating them or scratching the finish on them? Curt
jkingrph		#35	[-]
Posts: 87 (04/24/09 08:42 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mountain Doctor wrote: I know it's wrong but I can't help it... If all this stuff is so bad for me, why have I lived to the ripe old age of 44? I grew up before catalytic converters, shoulder belts, child seats, sterile bottles, alcohol based hand sanitizer, and lead and fume free paint. I never heard of a bicycle helmet, and I also played with mercury and lead fishing weights. By all standards, I should be a three eyed mutant, not a successful medical doctor. OK, rant over for now. 44 ripe and old.!! A youngster, I' 63, lived through all those things plus starting as a pharmacist back in the late 60's hate to think of all the toxic things I have handled and mixed without containment hoods and protective gear. At least I haven't grown horns and am not covered in warts, YET!!! Jeff
jkingrph		#36	[-]
Posts: 88 (04/24/09 08:45 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	BALLSANDBULLETS wrote: As to replacement weights, anything heavy should work. I think I'll strap some little vials of mercury to my wheels next time I have a tire replaced. That way I won't have to worry about lead poisoning. I was just starting to consider getting a pot and casting some of my own muzzleloader bullets and now this. Aren't we allowed to do anything fun anymore? Mercury, much more toxic than lead., also good for deleading a barrel, Seems like I have a couple of 5lb bottles hidden away somewerer. Jeff
scooter222		#37	[-]
Posts: 5034 (04/24/09 10:00 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Do you think the 'toxic' ruals have gone over board? All homes with paint pre 70s have lead. As due older plumbing. Then look at all the chemicals in the garages or basements. My moms house has left over lead paint and other chemicals including "spot remover" Naptha. Ooooooohh , bad stuff!
JoeTinVA		#38	[-]
Posts: 907 (04/25/09 03:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Heck I can still recall the smell of DDT, best darn pesticide ever made ! How many millions have died because it was banned ?
beanstrung		#39	[-]
Posts: 5203 (04/25/09 04:09 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	JoeTinVA wrote: Heck I can still recall the smell of DDT, best darn pesticide ever made ! How many millions have died because it was banned ? We might have lost tens of millions of poverty-stricken children in Africa to Malaria in the last 40 years due to the banning of DDT (for mosquito control), but don't you feel good knowing that in doing so, we saved a handful of California Condors from having weak egg shells? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10
scooter222		#40	[-]
Posts: 5035 (04/25/09 05:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Just look at the bed bug comeback here in the US. Well at least I have a couple hundred pounds of pre zinc coated WWs.

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