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Slug, Measure, & Match: Using the Right Bullet for the Right Barrel Diameter
By Mark Trope & R. Ted Jeo
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Posts: 4062 (05/13/09 08:25 PM) Veteran member |
Does anyone here load for the 1891?
Was advised to use starting loads in the manuals for the max load and reduce 10% for starting loads. Anyone?   skd
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Posts: 1838 (05/14/09 09:32 AM) |
No direct experience but I found several web sites with load data using load data argentine 1891 on Google search.
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Posts: 768 (05/14/09 09:51 AM) Veteran member |
I have a "B" series argy that absolutly loves Privi Partisan ammo, will shoot 2 inch groups at 200 yards with it. I have used Lyman reloading data
for the 7.65 with good results. DM
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Posts: 1441 (05/14/09 07:30 PM) |
The brass is also easily formed out of any 30-06 based cases. Only need a form/trim die. DM is right on about the load data as it is available from Lyman and
most other load manuals. Any .311" or .312" 150 to 180 gr. bullet makes a good load. I also use the same lead bullets I use for my Mosin Nagant loads
with very good results. This cartridge is nearly identical to the .308 Win but held to a lower pressure and slightly different dimensions. RP
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Posts: 1157 (05/15/09 09:44 AM) Veteran member |
It is a relatively strong action made of excellent materials, but it isn't very good at handling gas leaks from pierced primers or ruptured cases. So the
lower pressure loadings are more for protecting your face and eyes, than for keeping the gun from blowing up. That said, I think you'll be fine with any
standard loads listed in the loading manuals, but you should always wear good shooting glasses, just in case!
I have always been particularly happy using the Sierra .311 dia. 180 gr Spitzer, and find it to be very accurate when pushed into the 2200-2400 fps range. I also have gotten very good results with WW760 and AA2520 as propellants. This rifle also works well with cast bullets if you have a nice smooth bore without pitting. I have one rifle that is quite worn, but still very smooth, and it does best with a 200 gr cast bullet. There is still some surplus ammo to be found occassionally, though some people have had bad experiences with it claiming hot loads and very poor performance. I have quite a bit of the surplus myself, and have never had any problems, but though it isn't too bad for accuracy, it doesn't hold a candle to the accuracy potential of a good handload! |
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Posts: 4064 (05/15/09 01:39 PM) Veteran member |
I was told.
It would not be a bad idea to take the load's listed in the manual's. Use the starting load as the never exceed load and reduce the starting load 10% for the starting load. That brings up the question to me, which rifle was used for testing load development. Big ring 1909 series or small ring 1891 series? Any comments on this would be highly appreciated. skd
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Posts: 1658 (05/15/09 02:35 PM) Veteran member |
"I was told.
It would not be a bad idea to take the load's listed in the manual's. Use the starting load as the never exceed load and reduce the starting load 10% for the starting load." You were told wrong! The "starting load" is the load recommended to start. Reducing the charge below that level invites problems a novice handloader may not be prepared to avoid. " . . . which rifle was used for testing load development. Big ring 1909 series or small ring 1891 series?" Pressure-tested loads are usually not fired in an ordinary rifle of any model. They are fired in a "pressure gun" - normally a special single-shot action ("universal receiver") to which is fitted a test barrel equipped with a pressure-recording device. Data developed without pressure measurement is based on loads fired in whatever rifle(s) the developer had available. Some manuals state the specifics, some don't. Reliable published data for the 7.65 Mauser cartridge is intended to be safe in the early 1889, 90, and 91 Mausers which were designed for it. |
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Posts: 4068 (05/15/09 05:40 PM) Veteran member |
I said that wrong.
It was 10% from max load, or factory load. If a factory load shows signs of high pressure in only one way. Which is the shiny brass forward of the web section. No bulge, no backed out primer, No roughness on the inside of the case. Is this just Hot" ammo? NORMA.skd |
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