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eli griggs	Show us your 8mm conversions please!	Lead	[-]
Posts: 637 (05/17/09 09:34 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I was looking on the Mosin Nagant Google Earth Page, a link from another forum, and noticed that China had received both 7.62x54r as well as 8mm converted rifles after WWI, a military conversion of which I can't remember ever having seen pics posted here. So if you've got a 8mm M/N from whatever country, how about sharing some pictures and info. Cheers "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
gandog56		#1	[-]
Posts: 122 (05/20/09 03:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The only conversions I have ever heard of, and everybody considers them to be VERY unsafe, is to 30.06. Go ahead, make my day.
eli griggs		#2	[-]
Posts: 643 (05/20/09 06:03 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here is a link to the Google Earth page where the 8mm conversions to China is mentioned. I remember reading somewhere else that conversions were tried in Germany as well but again, information is sketchy. Eli "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
m1 talker		#3	[-]
Posts: 6740 (05/20/09 06:08 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I could understand someone changing them to fire an 8mm rimmed round, such as the 8X56R, but the 7.92 mm Mauser cartridge is simply too much in my opinion. The .30-06 conversions we have heard about were done by Bannnermans and they were not a national armory. Just a place where Bubba and his brothers and kin all worked at. Curt
Kar98AZfan		#4	[-]
Posts: 26 (05/21/09 07:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The Poles converted M91s to 7.92 after WW1.Here's a quote from W.H.B Smiths " Book of Rifles",pg 345- "In 1918 the Poles obtained large quantities of Russian M91 rifles. These were altered to take the German 7.92 cartridge. They were then issued as the "Karabinek 91/98/25. These weapons have the following characteristics: Barrel length 23.6" ,overall length 43.3",weight 8.16 pounds. Rifling 4 to the right. Magazine capaciy 5 cartridges. Sights 400 to 3200 meters.German type barrel bands are used." The picture shows a shortened M91 with the Gew.98 barrel bands & bayonet bar. I'd scan & post the pic,but Photobucket & I aren't getting along at the moment.-TR Any government big enough to give you everything you want,is strong enough to take everything you have.-Thomas Jefferson Last Edited By: Kar98AZfan 05/21/09 08:01 PM. Edited 1 times.
Radom		#5	[-]
Posts: 371 (05/27/09 12:48 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Belgian conversion to 8x57: http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareBlindee.htm Polish 91/98/25: http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareWZ919825.htm Last Edited By: Radom 05/27/09 12:55 AM. Edited 3 times.
eli griggs		#6	[-]
Posts: 653 (05/27/09 03:46 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks for the additional information and links. I had seen these pages awhile back but forgotten about them when I made this posting. I was hoping to see examples in member's collections and hear some first hand opinions on the conversions performance but as they are very uncommon, it may well be that we may find any of the models mentioned above. Cheers "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
zeebill		#7	[-]
Posts: 3604 (05/27/09 09:40 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	These things are very rare and if it is known what they are they go at a higher price. However if you find one the seller doesn't know what they have and you recognize it, a bargain can result! I have seen two in collections over the years but have no pictures alas. Many people have common misconception as to weakness in the Mosin receiver which frankly is strong as heck! Same thing about the Bannerman 30.06 conversion, they are safe as long as one uses non-modern lower power loads in them. I wish I had a dollar for every New Englander I have talked to over the years that still use them to deer hunt successfully. For some strange reason beyond me a lot of them ended up there? I bought the like new Bannerman I own now for a whole $75 out the door and it is not the first one I have owned and shot either. Remington makes reduced recoil ammo which I have used on two of the ones I owned with no problems. The current one I own looks like it has never been shot so I haven't tried it yet. The 30.06 loads in the day they were popular was not as strong as the modern loads sold today and I would not want to shoot one in a Bannerman conversion for safety reasons although many hunters using them probably do. Bill
eli griggs		#8	[-]
Posts: 657 (05/28/09 02:52 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Interesting stuff Bill. In your opinion, would the same advisory about lower load strengths include surplus offerings, the 8mm as well as 30-06? Eli "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
zeebill		#9	[-]
Posts: 3610 (05/30/09 09:41 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Frankly I don't know? I don't reload and feel that someone who does might comment on that for you. I just know that either there are a lot of lucky hunters out there in New England or the Mosins we shot are safe that way. Bill
temperflash		#10	[-]
Posts: 389 (06/03/09 09:37 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	American Rifleman featured a story on some Mosin Nagans converted to .30/06 for the private army of an Exiled White Russian big wig. According to the article that particular batch of rifles were considered to be a safe conversion because the barrel had been set back far enough that a new tight chamber could be cut. The action itself should be strong enough for all but the hottest .30/06 loads. There are stories of other conversions which were not safe, if the barrel isn't set back the rear of the chamber would be far too loose.
eli griggs		#11	[-]
Posts: 663 (06/03/09 11:15 AM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks temperflash, I'll see if I can find that article online. Did it mention how these M/Ns were marked or how to recognize them? I wonder how many were made and where did the expatriated Russian live when this was done? Edit, in their current article section, in their top 10 infantry rifles, the M/N, which they describe as "... crude and ugly in many ways,..." ranks #7. Eli "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
temperflash		#12	[-]
Posts: 390 (06/04/09 05:14 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Just found the issue totally by accident. i had not seen it in years and this morning while straightening up one of my magazine racks it was the first magazine I picked up out of a pile of old issues with the covers missing. Had I been looking for it I'd have never found it. The fellow's name was Vosiatsky, and the true number of his followers is unknown. He bought 60 of the rifles from Bannerman, 54 full length infantry models and six 22 inch barrel sporters, all in .30/06. All were Remington Manufacture and known examples bear both Russian and US Ordnance acceptance markings. He gave the 54 full length rifles to the Putnam county Civil Defence company in Conneticut at the beginning of WW2. I'll sort through the article from further useful info. Its the July 1992 issue Article title "America's Russian Fascist Rifles".
eli griggs		#13	[-]
Posts: 666 (06/04/09 01:15 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thank you very much for the additional data. Perhaps, as these were in the U.S., we'll see an example or two posted here someday. "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
temperflash		#14	[-]
Posts: 393 (06/05/09 04:07 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	A quick way of spotting the Russian Fascist conversions, or any similar conversion by Bannerman, is that side by side the barrel of the converted rifle is aprox one inch shorter though the stock is as issued. They cut off and rethreaded the barrel at the shank to get rid of the oversized section of the old 7.62 X54 chamber before rechambering. Theres a visible gap at the barrel reinforce, and theres another visible gap at each side of the magazine box. The floorplate of the mag is as issued only the mag box is altered. The rifles were sold to Bannerman by the US Government and most likely had been used as the 1916 model drill rifles, thus the Ordnance bomb as well as the Russian acceptance stamp. Wheter the Putnam County Civil Defence company added any markings of their own the article doesn't say. Last Edited By: temperflash 06/05/09 04:11 AM. Edited 1 times.