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eli griggs	Winchester Model 6?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 688 (06/12/09 08:23 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I just read an article that claims the rifle used in the recent N.Y. museum killing was a Winchester Model 6, a rifle I know nothing about. A quick google shows a heavy hex barreled pump gun and I am curious about what looks to be a pretty nice firearm; what can you tell me about this .22 and that barrel? How does a rifle this old compare to the average Marlin, Savage or Remington available today? Eli "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
VIS35		#1	[-]
Posts: 3224 (06/12/09 09:09 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Model 6 ? I am not aware of a model 6. Could it be a model (19)06 or perhaps a model 61 or 62? Article writers are notorious for not checking facts or details. "How does a rifle this old compare to the average Marlin, Savage or Remington available today? Eli " The models 1906, 61, 62 are wonderful rifles, produced in the days of quality steel, wood, craftsmanship. Francis VIS aka Blind Hog "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"
eli griggs		#2	[-]
Posts: 690 (06/12/09 11:36 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The several articles I'm seeing claim the firearm was made between 1908-1928. I'm thinking it's a variation on the 1890 but C&R American guns is something I've not much knowledge of. With such a heavy barrel I would expect it to be a real shooter. "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
beanstrung		#3	[-]
Posts: 5249 (06/13/09 08:52 AM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here's the text from an article on Yahoo.com: The gun was a vintage Winchester rifle manufactured between 1908 and 1928, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case. The gun is too old to be traced to a purchaser, the official said. Johns, the security guard, opened the door for von Brunn. Before von Brunn even got into the building, he pointed his gun at Jones' heart and pulled the trigger. Johns later died at a hospital. As von Brunn walked into the doorway and raised his rifle again, two security guards fired at him at least eight times. He was shot in the face and fell backwards outside the door. Investigators found 10 rounds in von Brunn's rifle and a signed, handwritten screed in his car. "You wanted my weapons - this is how you'll get them," von Brunn wrote. Apparently, whatever model it was, it had a 10-round magazine...? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10
beanstrung		#4	[-]
Posts: 5250 (06/13/09 09:02 AM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It looks like Winchester had a model 1906, which was a pump-action with a tubular magazine? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10
eli griggs		#5	[-]
Posts: 694 (06/13/09 02:06 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	From what I saw, Winchester redesigned the action of the 1890 in 1906 and called it a model 2, however info is still sketchy and it appears to be an interesting firearm so I'll keep looking at the type. "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
Gabreski 1st FJ		#6	[-]
Posts: 207 (06/15/09 08:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Its a model 06 as its stamped on the rifle. I have one that was my great grandfathers. Due to a couple numbers on it, it was either made in 1916 or 1925. If I can get a smith to ream the chamber (looks like someone gouged it trying to get brass out) it would be shootable again. The most interesting thing about it however is the craftmanship. You can see the file marks inside the action(which is like butter even now) prefectly square and smooth. Every part internally was hand fit apparently. It also breaks down into two sections held together by a captured thumb screw. Amazing. I'll try and get a couple of pics for ya. (If photobucket quits bein a pita) "It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams Last Edited By: Gabreski 1st FJ 06/15/09 09:37 PM. Edited 2 times.
beanstrung		#7	[-]
Posts: 5254 (06/15/09 09:26 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	So, is it a lever-action or a slide-action? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10
Gabreski 1st FJ		#8	[-]
Posts: 208 (06/15/09 09:36 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Slide action tube fed (underbarrel) "It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams
eli griggs		#9	[-]
Posts: 697 (06/16/09 12:06 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks for the pictures and the details, they help a lot. Eli "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
JTB1967		#10	[-]
Posts: 724 (06/17/09 09:12 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	eli griggs wrote: The several articles I'm seeing claim the firearm was made between 1908-1928. I'm thinking it's a variation on the 1890 but C&R American guns is something I've not much knowledge of. With such a heavy barrel I would expect it to be a real shooter. The 1906 was basically a cheaper version of the 1890. They really didn't have a heavy barrel as you would think of a modern heavy barrel. I've owned several of them. The vast majority are terrible shooters simply because the bores are heavily worn and normally pitted from mistreatment over the years.
eli griggs		#11	[-]
Posts: 698 (06/17/09 01:43 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	JTB1967, What about the 1890 as a shooter then, or is there a similar rifle out there that you can recommend? "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - 6.5 Swede Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .303 Brit WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
JTB1967		#12	[-]
Posts: 726 (06/18/09 08:40 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Either the 1890 or 1906 are adequate for plinking provided you find one with a good bore. If you just like a pump, you'd probably be better off with one of the brazilian made copies. At least you'll get a good bore and it will be a whole lot cheaper than an excellent condition 1890 or 1906.
reddogge		#13	[-]
Posts: 4918 (06/18/09 09:36 AM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The problem with both models is corrosive primers was in use for much of their manufacturing lifetime and that corroded most of the bores. I have an 1890 and a 1906 and both have bad bores. They shoot fine but are not tack drivers. Both are all original though so I'm not relining or switching barrels. If I want to drive tacks I'll grab the Kimber, Remington 541S, or Winchester 52B. "What happened? What the HELL happened?" Jake Holman "The Sandpebbles"