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Tapeo1	M-48 vs M48?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 (02/18/09 12:57 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I've noticed that some of these rifles are marked M-48 (with the dash) while others are marked M48 (without the dash). Why the difference? Does the difference in marking reflect different years of production or different factories?
nothernug		#1	[-]
Posts: 11195 (02/18/09 04:34 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Do you know what? I am sure I must have, but I cannot recall seeing the M48 stamp hyphenated in that way before. Another thing. I am doing a crest study and while I'll have to do a detailed check, I think that's a new stamp tool for me too. If I may, what are the other markings on the hyphenated rifle? Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
chcusnr1		#2	[-]
Posts: 118 (02/18/09 04:34 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Never seen anything like the one on the right. Do you know anything about it? Something does not look quite right.
m1 talker		#3	[-]
Posts: 6507 (02/18/09 04:47 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It is not the same crest. Look at the bottom of the crest and see what way the thingys are slanted. Curt
Dores		#4	[-]
Posts: 17 (02/18/09 09:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"Look at the bottom of the crest and see what way the thingys are slanted." Yep, the M48 "thingys" are left over right & the M-48 are right over left. Hud
Tapeo1		#5	[-]
Posts: 2 (02/18/09 09:27 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	nothernug wrote: Do you know what? I am sure I must have, but I cannot recall seeing the M48 stamp hyphenated in that way before. Another thing. I am doing a crest study and while I'll have to do a detailed check, I think that's a new stamp tool for me too. If I may, what are the other markings on the hyphenated rifle? Here are some more pics of the one on the right... Last Edited By: Tapeo1 02/18/09 11:22 PM. Edited 1 times.
nothernug		#6	[-]
Posts: 11196 (02/19/09 02:18 AM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	A very nice, if otherwise ordinary, Pred 44, M48. I sent a query to Branko. Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
old one	M-48 ?	#7	[-]
Posts: 12 (02/20/09 08:22 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Besides the " thingys " being different, the lower band is on backwards also. old one
nothernug		#8	[-]
Posts: 11198 (02/21/09 03:41 AM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Dores wrote: "Look at the bottom of the crest and see what way the thingys are slanted." Yep, the M48 "thingys" are left over right & the M-48 are right over left. Hud Whoa! I missed that! I went though my collection of crest pics and not one was crossed over like that 'un. Minus that detail, Branko had this to say... You're right. This is not the original factory tool. Perhaps is in a same workshop strike marking on rifle Gew.98 (M98n). Namely, only M98n have on the receiver ring Yugoslav crest without pattern designation. Branko I'll run that crest back by him. Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
Dores		#9	[-]
Posts: 18 (02/21/09 11:38 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	'Nug, Maybe the fella that made the stamp was dyslexic.....like me! Hud
m1 talker		#10	[-]
Posts: 6538 (02/21/09 12:37 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well, that strange way the part of the crest is slanted stood out like a sore thumb to my eyes, that is why I mentioned it. Curt
Tapeo1		#11	[-]
Posts: 3 (02/21/09 01:04 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Maybe the crest and stamping on this rifle will be like a rare 1974 D Doubled Die Kennedy half dollar or something. Maybe not.
nothernug		#12	[-]
Posts: 11199 (02/21/09 01:34 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	m1 talker wrote: Well, that strange way the part of the crest is slanted stood out like a sore thumb to my eyes, that is why I mentioned it. Curt Well, you sure called it right, and thanks! Curt. I'm the one doing the study, (working it off & on, more off right now) so should have caught it. Anybody else seen that hyphenated M-48 model designator before? One thing I postulated to B was that I wondered if it was a parts gun and the crest and designation put on by the importer? ByTheWay Tapeo1... Howdy and welcome to Parallax Bill's Yugo Mauser forum! Glad you showed up. We haven't had anything really new to play with for some time now. Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie until you can find a rock. Will Rogers Last Edited By: nothernug 02/21/09 01:38 PM. Edited 1 times.
Tapeo1		#13	[-]
Posts: 4 (02/21/09 03:40 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks for the welcome Nothernug. Looks like a nice site you have here. I'm fairly new to the world of Yugo mausers. I've been an AK aficionado for some time and my collection includes three Yugo M70s that I've built myself. Now that my interest in AKs has deminished a little I've directed my interest towards things a little more "old school" like mausers. Thank you for looking into the markings on this rifle. I'm very curious to learn more about them.
chcusnr1		#14	[-]
Posts: 119 (02/23/09 10:43 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Another thing about this that seems a little unusual is that the digit 4 is a serif font, whereas all the M48s I have seen are sans-serif. Serif refers to details on the end of strokes, as illustrated below. The sample below has a serif only on the leg of the "4", whereas the picture has a serif on both the leg and horizontal cross piece (could not find a representative computer font for that). Interestingly, the "M" is sans-serif. 48 Serif on the "4" 48 No Serif on the "4 (typical of other M48s I have seen) I'm thinking as has been suggested, that the M-48 has been added, perhaps by an importer. The placement of the crest looks kind of like a 24/47
tep0583		#15	[-]
Posts: 474 (02/23/09 12:27 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mine doesn't have the hyphen and I cannot remember ever seeing one with a hyphen, either. I'll keep my eyes out when I'm at shows. I usually look over and milsurp I see.
Tapeo1		#16	[-]
Posts: 5 (06/02/09 10:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thought I would revive this thread. When I originally posted the pics of this rifle, I was using the pics that were posted on the gunbroker ad that I purchased it from. Since my original post, I've had a chance to look it over. I've noticed something else unique about it other than the "M-48" stamp being hyphenated and the crest being different. The bolt handle has much more of a bend to it and it sits much closer to the side of the stock than my other M48s. You can actually see how close it sits to the stock in the 4th picture. It's apparent that the bolt has not been cut and rewelded to form this angle. It looks as though the bolt could more easily clear a scope when in the open position this way. Just thought this was another interesting observation about this somewhat unusual rifle. I'll post some pics of the bolt angle later. Last Edited By: Tapeo1 06/02/09 11:43 PM. Edited 1 times.
Tapeo1		#17	[-]
Posts: 6 (06/03/09 11:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here's some pics showing how close the bolt is to the stock. Definitely more bent than my other M48s.
Tapeo1		#18	[-]
Posts: 7 (06/10/09 03:39 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No ideas? Well, I tried. Can someone recommend any other Yugo mauser sites?
mh47		#19	[-]
Posts: 1285 (06/20/09 05:20 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	sorry, Tapeo 1, can't help you with the bolt question beyond saying that in my limited experience I've never seen one bent that far. Your post and photos got me to wondering about one of my own Yugos, a 24/47, has a similar receiver stamp and similar stock wood as well as a sloppy or perhaps double struck stamp.
skywarp989		#20	[-]
Posts: 3231 (08/16/09 08:55 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I can't swear it but I think I've seen a couple of "M-48s" like the one posted at local gun shows. I thought them to be rather crudely fitted, with new stocks often with what seemed to be sanding dust still in the nooks and crannies. Almost like the infamous "Mitchell's Mausers" used to be. I wonder if some of these weren't built at the end of the production run or even possibly more recently for import out of extra parts. They certainly don't look like the ones that show wear and use.