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Eric, great to hear from you and thanks for the update. Frustrations like you're experiencing are one of the reasons I could have never made a career of
the military. Two years, five months, and two days was long enough for me! I'm glad I did it, though. Thanks again for your service, sacrifice, and
dedication! Carl
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Mountain Doctor |
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eb in oregon wrote: You are still serving our country. That's more than 99% of Americans, myself included, can say. You've not been shot. That's always good. You get to shoot for free. Maybe they are taking it easy on you because you are old!
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Ed Novak |
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Eric: Understand that you could have stayed home; not likely a thing I think you'd do when offered a challenge. Anyone can sit home; people who can, do.
Whatever you choose to do, stay in touch and know that you've one hell of a site squad on your side here.
NRA Endowment member
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eb in oregon |
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MD,
I did get to shoot a lot last week. We did three days of base defense training where we conducted "security gate entry operations," QRF (quick
reaction force) training, and tower operations. The security gate was just searching folks, reacting to direct and indirect fire (with the occasional VBIED),
QRF is grabbing your "kit" and running to the burm and engaging targets, and tower op's is sitting in the tower and scanning. Targets "pop
up" and you engage. Hard (you have to work at it) to miss with the 4x Aimpoint sight. I had over 180 rounds and only had three misses. That was only until
I stopped trying for half a head shot on the one "guy" hiding in a "building" and just shot through the wall.
"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776 |
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zeebill |
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Man Eric you are giving me flashbacks to many years ago when I was shipping over as they called it then! It was 41 years ago in April yet it now seems like
yesterday. 65 years old now and it is but a small memory in the past now. It helped form many of my attitudes toward life and I don't regret it at all. I
pray all will be the same for you and I have faith in your attitude and feel very proud to have you represent us over there! Again WE want to know what is
lacking over there and maybe give us a chance to help out in some small way. I won't it is the least we can do because for all the facts it is all we can
do besides praying for your safety! Best as always! Bill
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eb in oregon |
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The last few days (five to be exact) have been a "wowzer" to be sure. I had to do a split shift for three days, taking a class on the new computer
tracking/map board/communication system. It is a dilly and I came away from that with my head hurting. Of course that may have also be a result of the two
hours sleep I was getting between the class and my "night shift job" as Battle NCO for the TOC. The same day the class started my battalion commenced
it's tactical operations training and we started running 24 hour operations for mounted patrol and convoy escort. Until the class finished I was one grumpy
son of a gun.
Day four I got to work all night and then go on a mounted patrol as a driver for my company's vehicle. It was just me, a lieutenant, and a gunner. She did a swell job, but we were lucky enough that our vehicle didn't get "hit", we just basically provided security for the dismounts from the company we were tagging along with. The patrol did well, there were several areas that could us some tightening up, but generally alright. One thing that disturbed me a great deal was an incident where the patrol stopped to investigate a possible IED and the dismounts slipped into the tree line. About ten yards in man got up and started to run, no weapons visable. The dismounts "killed" him, then searched the "body." Found some IED components. Later I mentioned during the AAR that he had been unarmed, the concensus was that "he ran, so he's gotta be a bad guy." The "Observer/Controller" seemed to agree. This scared me a lot. Enough that I took this tidbit of information back and passed it up. We'll see what happens. The ROE states that "You will not fire upon anyone not committing a hostile act." Seems to me running is not considered a hostile act. This entails that a bad guy might, just might get away, but we're not supposed to be killing civilians. At least that was what I thought. The lieutenant I work for is a "pistol" and a good reason that I'm glad I don't have too much time left in the Army. Reminds me of Patton without the rank, and he thinks he knows it all. Doesn't need nor take advice from the likes of me. I gotta work with him, I don't have to like him. Don't get me wrong, he's sharp as a tack, but me thinks that he's still got a lot of growing to do. Hope he learns before he alienates his whole staff. The weather has been really hot, 107 the other day, and butt dragging humid. An hour ago we had a short lightening storm with a strike right next to the TOC. I wasn't in there. I had just woken up and was getting cleaned up for duty. Anyway, just a short note to let you guys know I'm still hanging in there. Eric
"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
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eagle7 |
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Eb, I read your account of the tactical training, and like you I have serious reservations about the "lessons learned". Specifically I'm talking
about the shooting of the unarmed role player that got up and ran away and was promptly "shot". That doesn't sound like a common sense ROE to me.
I think the trainers and OCs are sending the wrong message. When I was over there in March - June 2003 that definitely wasn't kosher, and Baghdad was
totally out of control at that time. It was cool to shoot somebody fleeing with a weapon, or somebody trying to crash through a roadblock, but it was not legit
to shoot a person merely running away. That's not to say it never happened in my unit, but all it takes is one person squawking about the incident to get
everyone involved fried. You definitely don't want to get involved in a legal firestorm those 8 Haditha Marines got into. Although they all beat the rap in
the end (IIRC) they were put through the DoD legal meatgrinder and the LTC's career is effectively over although he was exonerated.
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FLAPJACKHAPPY |
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Hi Eb Seems to me that they don't want to take any chances on people running away unarmed , better safe than sorry I guess. But I totally understand your
concerns about that ,especially when you only have a second or two to react and the implications of the runner being a friendly. Seems to be a whole lot of
gray area to me. Of course I have never been in the service and never been in combat so.. therefore I may not be seeing the situation as a whoile so just take
my comments as an observation.
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eb in oregon |
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Hey eagle7,
It IS disturbing that "our people" aren't addressing the issue that was raised. I've seen (as have you) the ROE change several times just within the last year or so, but as mentioned it has never, ever asked, ordered, or permitted shooting an unarmed individual. Even if an enemy is shooting at you, and then decides that this isn't "a good day to die" and drops his weapon and runs, the ROE demands that the soldier not shoot. So, this little incident really makes my hair stand on end. As you stated "stuff happens" and we are covered. Yet to not address an issue such as this one was, a blatant disregard of the ROE (and supported by the O/C no less) makes me glad (for the first time) that I won't be in the field much. Our guys are walking a real thin line over there already, and to be sure, many times things are not as they seem. I just think that things such as this place our guys in an untenable position with life long consequences. One more night of operations, then we get to clean the place up, have ANOTHER ceremony, take a day off, and go. Eric
"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
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Ed Novak |
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Go with God's protection, Eric.
NRA Endowment member
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eb in oregon |
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Bu-coo ammo + lots of targets + FUN
"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
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eb in oregon |
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Finally, a decision has been made. We fly out the morning of the 10th. The good news is that IOTV (the latest body armor) can be packed in the ruck sack, we
won't have to wear it on and off the plane. Good news indeed. The bad news is that we'll have to live out of our ruck sacks (which will have the armor,
chemical suit and mask and our toothbrush in it) for up to a week if the plane is over weight and duffle bags have to be off loaded for later transport. Swell.
The computers I've been using for internet access will be packed up and turned in this morning, so no idea when (or if) I'll get a chance to check in again. I'm on duty in the computer lab right now as it was my idea to try to get it open for these last few hours so that the soldiers would have last minute access if needed. As it is set up in the TMC (medical clinic) it was only supposed to be open after 1500 each day when it closed. As the last few weeks have been "running hard and put away wet" access has been iffy, so I've come over here several times on my "off time" so that the soldiers would have a means to talk to home and get business done. The Major in charge of the TMC was gracious enough to allow my plan as long as it doesn't get in the way of her treatment of sick call soldiers. Fair enough. No telling if anyone will get in here before it's broken down, but at least there is a small window of opportunity. It's been nice to be able to "get here" these last few days and some of the posts have been pretty entertaining. It was not good to hear of Chu Lai 68's death, especially from an auto accident. However, most old warriors I know would rather check out that way instead of dying old, withered, and possibly in pain, in a bed. He will be missed, but not forgotten by those whose lives he has touched. Your really not gone until the last of those whose lives you have touched join you. Semper Gumby (always flexible), eb
"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
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Well, I've been in Kuwait for a few days now. Desolate, hot, windy country. We'll be here at Camp Buerhing for a few weeks, then into Iraq. More training, some shooting (15 rounds to re-confirm zero) and even more training. Several of you have asked for my APO address to send "care packages, " and I have said I'm a simple guy with few needs. I really appreciated
the gesture, words really wouldn't describe how much your offers meant to me. However, if that offer still stands I'll post my address (don't have
it on me at the moment and I've got little time. gubmint computer) in a day or so. What would be choice would be 100 minute AT&T calling cards that I
could give to my soldiers, some of whom are a little strapped for cash. I can't think of much that would give me more pleasure here than to be able to help
those guy's stay in touch with home, courtesy of the fine guys at Parallax Bill's.
"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
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Mountain Doctor |
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Thanks for the update, Eb. Glad you arrived safe. Hope you are having some fun on the range at least. I wish you could save your brass and send it home to us!
Even though it's hot and desolate, I bet it's interesting to be there, for a little while at first. I bet a wet cool day in Oregon never seemed more
beautiful than it does right now. Be safe.
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Ed Novak |
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And Semper Gumby to you, sir! I've got 21 of those 100 minute AT&T cards ordered; should arrive me in a few days and I'll get them off in the post
to you ASAP. One of those cards is for the SFC hisself! Hope this works out; found the cards at CompuNet for a slight discount over the AT&T site - for
anyone else wanting to go shopping for the cards. Tried to find a way to order these and have them sent directly to you but cannot - if you have a shortcut so
that I can order and have you receive them directly let me know for "next time". God bless you and your troopers for being stand-up young men and
women on our behalves. Handsome photo of you at the firing point!
NRA Endowment member
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eb in oregon |
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A 100 minute card gets you 20 minutes phone time here, so, Thanks Mr. Novak, your are a swell guy.
As for a direct delivery, the only way I know is to give my APO as the receiving address. Other than that I'm clueless. Which seems to be pretty normal lately. And thanks for the compliment, but I stopped being "handsom" years ago. Darn it. eb
"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
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Ed Novak |
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Eb: "100 minute card gets you 20 minutes phone time". I went back to the CompuNet site and read the disclaimer/fine print/"oh, by the way"
stuff and now note that "INTERNATIONAL RATES ARE VERY HIGH". Five times higher than within CONUS rates, I guess... Did note too that AT&T
card-calling is billed in 1 minute increments as opposed to 3 minute increments... one second = 1 minute vs one second=3 minutes for "other cards".
Lots of stuff in the fine print; pays to read it before placing an order. All soldiers in uniform are handsome! I was handsome until I retired and then I
became ugly, beady-eyed, beetle-browed, grew hair in my nose and ears and a pot-belly. Should have stayed in longer. ed
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Rustybore |
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Ed, so what are you saying about the cards? I, too, would like to purchase some, but don't quite understand the procedures. If you don't mind, could
you explain in detail the "how about" to ordering them?
Been hot here in Oregon, in the 90's in most parts, both sides of the mountain. I'm down in Klamath County, the dry side of the hill, headed up to Hood River to do some work next week. Eb, you aren't a spring chicken anymore, so be careful. Just shoot first and ask questions later. Kevin in Or. |
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zeebill |
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Yes Ed I am confused now too! You know the way us geezers get! Bill
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Ed Novak |
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Rustybore/Bill: I shopped around and found the easiest to purchase and lowest priced cards on CompuNet; $4.99 for a 100 minute card. Ordered 21; took several
days for them to arrive but I've got them packaged for mailing to Eric and his comrades. Some of the "card offers" are for cards that
"deduct" three minutes for each second over a minute used, ie, 5 minutes and 1 second of use will result in a "charge" of 8 minutes.
CompuNet says that their cards use a "one minute billing"; 5 minutes and 1 second results in a 6 minute charge against the card. AT&T (AT&T
web site) 100 minute cards appear to use the "3 minute" rule and cost $7.99 per card (per my research) while the CompuNet supplied AT&T 100
minute cards are $4.99 and offer the "1 second = 1 minute" charge. I don't have the Compunet cards in front of me; packaged them today to send
out Monday. Proof of the pudding will come when Eric receives them, his troops use them and I get feedback. I've never purchased phone cards before; never
used them so I'll have to see what Eric and his troopers say about the cards I am sending. I purchased via PayPal and the transaction seemed to take
several days; may elect to use a CC next time to see if the "sale service" is faster. Bill: if you were born before 18 June '43, you can call
yourself a "geezer", otherwise, it is only I who can lay claim to that appelation.
NRA Endowment member
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