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thegeep

Hello all! Import marks and originality...

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Jan 26 12 12:14 PM

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Hello! Just signed up, looks like a good site. I have a question regarding how import marks affect "originality" of a rifle. I have an Israeli mauser that was originally a German gun. It has a CAI import mark on the barrel, and as this was a very late-war rifle it did not have an original serial number and so was marked with one on the receiver. It is in the same print as the import mark, so I am assuming this was done at the same time. How much do these two markings affect the "original-ness" of the rifle?

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h2oys

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Jan 26 12 4:07 PM

Beauty and value and are in eye of the beholder.

If you collect German Mausers then you want an original Mauser in its original military configuration.

If you collect Russian Mausers, then it will be a Russian Capture that went through their disassembly, re-assembly, and then usually electropenciled process.

If you collect Israeli Mausers, then you are looking at one with probably scrubbed German swastikas and Israeli markings.

Etc. Etc.

To a collector, any import markings detract from the value. To someone who just wants a shooter, the import markings don't mean a darn thing.

MasterChief

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Jan 26 12 8:07 PM

Welcome aboard, geep.

The answer to your question is very situational and/or relative. From one narrow perspective, your specimen is totally non-orignial. So what?

I have only seen one Israeli Mauser in my area and so consider them relatively rare around these parts. I myself would not be put off by import markings but they will not attract top interest and/or valuations from master collectors (of which I am not one).

Originality-rarity-desireability-value are four different qualities which are weighted differently by each beholder.

YMMV. Best wishes. Dave

thegeep

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Jan 26 12 9:13 PM

Does the addition of the import mark and new serial number assigned upon importation affect the originality of the rifle in the same way something like drilling and tapping does, or are the markings considered undesireable, but a necessary evil?

Crunch130

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Jan 26 12 11:58 PM

Yes. D&T for a scope is the work of Bubba. There are plenty of stripped Mauser actions, already sporterized rifles, some already D&T'd out there that no one needs to screw up a perfectly good military rifle.

I live my Israeli for the mix of parts it is!

Crunch

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Jan 27 12 7:26 AM

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h2oys

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Jan 27 12 9:40 AM

Personally, I think drilling and tapping is far worse than a govt. stamp/import mark.

MasterChief

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Jan 27 12 8:22 PM

Endless apologies, geep, for my impertinence. What is the root cause of your concern over this issue of the imoprt markings versus originality of condition?

For example: Are you merely trying to come to grips with an unsightly reality?

Are you an auctioneer embroiled in a disagreement with a bidder who takes exception to your description touting "all original condition"?

Are you the bidder who got stuck with something not fairly represented?

We here at Parallax can create a support group on the spot for almost anyone, save those promoting or employing modifications which permanently alter the weapon (like drilling and tapping...).

Best wishes. Dave

thegeep

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Feb 2 12 2:15 PM

The idea was that if the import marks and added serial number caused the rifle to no longer be original, than I was considering adding a Williams side mount scope base as I would not be doing any further harm. If the marking and serial number are not that big a deal and the rifle is still more or less considered original, then I would not want to molest it in any permanent fashion.

Since my last post another issue has come up. The bore is significantly worn. My gunsmith rates it at about 30%. If I replace the barrel with a new-manufacture military stepped barrel, am I doing irrevocable harm? I would naturally keep and properly store the original barrel (which I suppose is arguably not really original as the Israelis already rebarreled it once). My issue is that I don't want to completely wear out the original barrel and would rather replace it now and put it away while it still has some life left in it. I would leave the original sights on the original barrel and put new (used) ones on the replacement barrel to minimize the possibility of damage to the original. Opinions?

lwdavis

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Feb 23 12 9:13 AM

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It is your rifle, you paid for it, do what ever you want with it and the critics be dan*ed. It does not sound like a particularly desireable collectors piece to begin with so have at it!
Personally I hate the new way of import stamps, the old small, lightly struck ones were tolerable, not anymore. Why add a serial to a rifle that has one already----just to screw it up for collectors? I think so!

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