Also known as the M88 Mauser, Gew 88, Kar88, and Gewehr 88.
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Plevna |
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Lee: Thank you! By any chance is there a lower case Fraktur letter stamped beneath the serial number on the receiver?
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erniezeke |
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Here's another for ya.
Amberg, 18??, 326 (small case )k I have several questions I hope you can answer: To ID the date of manufacture (which is missing the last two numbers), can I assume that if it has G. Mod. 88. on the receiver side that it was made in 1888 or 1889? The receiver markings were stamped very light. Only a small portion of the crown is visible along with "AM???G". The date number as stated is 18??. Also, What does "nm" beneath the G. Mod. 88. mean? The barrel jacket has GF 326 (matching the receiver?). The receiver is stamped with both the S and Z (I haven't slugged it yet). The bolt is turkish marked (perhaps Czech made) but not the rear sight. The lower receiver (magazine and trigger guard) was colored plum brown which is odd. There are no regimental markings anywhere. Any insight into this rifle is appreciated. |
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SKTshtr12 |
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I HAVE RECENTLY ACQUIRED AN AMBERG1890 RIFLE FROM A GENT WHO OWNED IT FOR OVER 39 YEARS. THERE IS A VERY GOOD CROWN OVER THE AMBERG NAME AND THE SERIAL #
APPEARS TO BE 5381: THE ROUND END OF THE BOLT SHOWS A 5 POINT STAR ATOP A CIRCLE IN A CIRCLE: THE INNER END OF THE BOLT READS 12 OVER THE #682: THE FRONT
BARREL BAND ON THE LEFT SIDE READS 9.R.4.110: THE CENTER BARREL BAND ON THE LEFT SIDE READS 65, THE RIGHT SIDE SHOWS XXXXXX STAMPED OVER WHAT I THINK IS 3, 5
OR6, P, E, 4.116: IT'S HARD TO MKE OUT THESE SO I'M GIVING IT MY BEST GUESS: THE ACTION FEELS GOOD (I'M CERTAINLY NOT A GUN EXPERT). OVERALL
I'M HAPPY WITH MY RECENT ACQUISITIN AD IT LOOKS TO BE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION FOR A 119 YEAR OLD WEAPIN. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DROP ME AN EMAIL. I HOPE
THAT THIS TIDBIT HELPS YOU.
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Plevna |
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SKTshtr12: Sounds to me like you have a very nice rifle and I greatly appreciate the information you kindly provided. Reflecting on the
comments just made by erniezeke (see below), is the left receiver rail marked "G.Mod.88." or "Gew.88"? Is there by chance a lower case
Fraktur letter stamped below the serial number of the lower left side of the receiver ring? Is the "R" in the "9.R.4.110." regimental mark
a block or "Italics" lettter?
erniezeke: To the best of my knowledge you are correct that a "G.Mod.88." stamp on the left receiver rail indicates production in either 1889 or early 1890. Based upon the serial number data I have recorded to date, Amberg produced 18,150 Gew 88s in 1889 and 112,384 in 1890 (please keep in mind that this information is likely incomplete and more may have been manufactured in both of these years). The only "k" series serial number (specifically 2384k) I have recored for 1889 and 1890 Amberg rifles is for 1890. I do not know when (or if) Amberg changed the receiver stamping to "G.Mod.88" in that year. The "nm" marking means "nues metal" or "new metal" and indicates that the barrel of the rifle had been replaced with what was believed to be an improved (strengthened) barrel. The "326" on the barrel jacket (tube) indicates that it matches the receiver. I do not know the meaning of the "GF" marking you mentioned. The "S" and "Z" stampings on the crest of the receiver indicate that the throating of the chamber and depth of the grooves in the rifling, respectively, had been arsenal modified. It is possible that the barrel to which these markings refer may have been replaced at a later date so it is wise to proceed with slugging your barrel. I believe that Czech made replacement bolts were marked with a "Z" in a circle. That being said, it is certainly possible that the bolt had been replaced somewhere along the line and the fact that the bolt handle has Turkish markings does not necessarily mean that the rifle ever saw service in that country. As you did not specifically state that your rifle had been modified for the five-shot Mauser stripper clips, I'll presume that it is a Gew 88 and not a Gew 88/05. I suspect the plum colored finish on the trigger guard is due to aging. I greatly appreciate hearing from both of you and welcome aboard! I would be remiss not to comment that the serial number information I have indicates that at least 266,375 rifles were produced at Amberg (this figure is low as I have no numbers for 1895 production). Of an estimated 3,090,657+ Gew 88s manufactured by six known arsenals or factories, the output at Amberg equated to only 8.62% of the total production. In real terms, this indicates that Amberg 88s are the "rarest" of the 88s around. I hope you'll both post more in the future. |
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Terminal99 |
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Here are the ones I have that I can make out the numbers and sometimes letter.
Steyr 1890 6804e Steyr1984 3789e Loewe 1890 1885b Steyr 1891 5468j Steyr1894 4556d Spandau 1890 7026n might not be n Steyr 1894 6485e Loewe 1891 7981l Stery 1894 5182e Spandau 1891 8385c Spandau 1895 3305c Spandau 1890 3052l might not be l Spandau 1890 7826m Steyr 1890 3716u Spandau 1893 4694n Lowe 1890 937g might not be g Spandau 1890 2882v might not be v
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03/11/09 05:38 PM.
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Plevna |
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Terminal99: Thank you much for contributing your list of serial numbers! Greatly appreciated! I keep plugging away at collecting these to expand and improve
the earlier study of Gew 88 production and serial number ranges. It's a slow process and only with the assistance of folks such as yourself can this work
be done.
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erniezeke |
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Plevna
Thanks for the input. There was no way I would have found out what "NM" means and at least you confirmed an approximate date of manufacture for me. As far as the "GF" next to the "326", perhaps it is an inspectors initials such as found on US weapons. My bolt with arabic does have a "circle Z" stamped on the cocking end of it indicating Czech origin which may or not indicate use by the Turks. The lower receiver and trigger guard are a bright plumb in color and are not worn in any way. It almost looks like a half-assed sporterizing job and might have come out of somebodys parts box. The weapon does have charger clip guides and the standard "1914" charger hole cover in place which may indicate an 88/05. With all the mods made to the G.88 over the years, it's a shame that it is extremely hard to get an "all matching" weapon. Your input made my weapon more "personable" to me now that I understand more about it. |
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Plevna |
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Erniezeke: Glad to be of assistance. As I frequently joke with my friends, "If ignorance is bliss, I am one of the happiest people you'll ever
meet." Nonetheless, I will try to answer any questions you may have to the best of my ability or, alternately, give you a no-frills but honest "I
don't know." It just struck me that one small item I should have clarified in responding to you about dating your rifle is that despite being called a
Model 1888 none were actually manufactured in that year. Although the rifle is designed as 1888 (the year in which it was designed), production did not begin
until the following year (i.e., 1889).
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Nora |
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Here's another for you. Mine is Danzig 1891, #101g
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Plevna |
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Nora, welcome aboard and thank you so much for the serial number information. Every log on the proverbial fire is greatly appreciated. Please drop in and visit
with us again!
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ROKHED |
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I have an Amberg 1894. i will get numbers and photos. I really appreciate the info I have gotten from reading the thread.
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Plevna |
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ROKHED: Glad to have you with us! Any information is certainly appreciated.
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mine is 1895 spandau #8161 italic g under serial # on left side of receiver
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Plevna |
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gamblegrogan: Thank you much, sir! Greatly appreciated!
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Palimino Stripe |
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I can't believe it has taken me this long to post mine (after years of owning my Gew 88's), but better late than never
Steyr ~ 1890 ~ 4210 p Steyr ~ 1894 ~ 1848 d Erfurt ~ 1890 ~ 4722* d And I also have a 1895 Spandau- unfortunately the numbers have fadded so much, I can only barely see a '5' -Palimino P.s. The Erfurt really does have a star after the serial number- I've never seen that before (on Gew 88's...) |
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Plevna |
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Palimino: It's so good to hear from you! Thank you much for adding to the slowly growing Gew 88 serial number data base. I must admit that the star
"*" symbol after the number is a new one on me. I wonder if other forum members have seen any of these -- or other symbols -- on the Model 1888s in
their collection? Is there any way that you could post a clear picture of this?
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Palimino Stripe |
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"Is there any way that you could post a clear picture of this?"
In the words of Curly: "Why soitenly!" ![]()
-Palimino |
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Plevna |
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Palimino: You're both a gentleman and a scholar -- not to mention a nice guy.
By chance did this rifle have a similar number with a "*" on the barrel tube or trigger guard? |
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Palimino Stripe |
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Thanks! You're not so bad yourself
You absolutely have my permission to use the image.
Sadly- This came in my possession only as a barreled receiver- HOWEVER the star is repeated the barrel's serial as well- http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a102/Palimino444/Piture549R.jpg And here's the 'crest' if that helps: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a102/Palimino444/Piture550R.jpg (Excuse my arm in the pic! )
Good to know that it's a little unique like that- because as soon as I'm done removing the rust/gunk (I haven't started yet), this one will be sporting a brand new stunning Sapele-wood stock, thereby making it more unique
Also the barrel is remarkably pristine! -Palimino
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Plevna |
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Palimino: Thank you so much! Please check your Private Mail inbox. I've already prepared a short note on the star serial number and would be glad to email
a copy to you. Thanks again!!
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