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69kHz	Front band from hell!!	Lead	[-]
Posts: 115 (12/13/07 11:59 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : turk mauser, turkish mauser, 1893 mauser, band turk 1893 For the life of me I can't get the front band off this 1893 turk.. I tried many times squeezing the spring down with rubber sleeved pliers, & very difficult holding everything while trying to tap with mallet & dowel, I'm ready to just snap the barrel out of the stock & just get another stock.. Any idea's why this thing won't come off? I'm pressing the spring down as far as it'll go & I tap the nose cap & it's doing nothing but making me irratable. Gew 88 Seitengewehr
Mad 4 Mausers		#1	[-]
Posts: 584 (12/14/07 03:28 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Try removing the cleaning rod, it's a great help.
69kHz		#2	[-]
Posts: 116 (12/14/07 01:57 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I knew someone would come in with a wise remark. There is no cleaning rod. Gew 88 Seitengewehr
scooter222		#3	[-]
Posts: 4721 (12/14/07 06:46 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Try tapping it from the butt side instead of the muzzel side.. Seriuosly, try warming it up real good with a hairdryer. I had a nose cap or H band that was glued on by the hardened gunk.. take your time. You realy don't want to break the stock.
WVchuck		#4	[-]
Posts: 10145 (12/14/07 08:00 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've got a method that is sure fire, but it involves a screwdriver and a hammer. Make sure you've got the rifle padded & secure in a mount, make sure the screw driver blade is a little less wide than the front band spring. Get the blade lined up against the edge of the band and give it a good whack, that usually knocks it loose enough to bring the band out from it's bond to the spring and can be removed normally afterward.
Mad 4 Mausers		#5	[-]
Posts: 585 (12/14/07 09:19 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Since you've verified having removed the cleaning rod, try using a small C-clamp with suitable padding, and screwing it down as much as possible. Since your hands are thereby freed, tap away on the on the band groove with your screwdriver and the sling mount boss. Giving it a whack on the band edge as WV Chuck suggests sounds like a good idea, too.
ab4ka		#6	[-]
Posts: 817 (12/15/07 02:22 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have the same problem with my 1903. I figured it was because it's in a model 38 stock and everything just didn't quite fit right. I know the cleaning rod didn't want to go in, but I made it go (don't go there...I can get it out if I really want to ) "Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less." Robert E. Lee
OldIronMan		#7	[-]
Posts: 1193 (12/15/07 01:22 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've had to use the C-clamp method. It worked well. The problem in my case was dirt and cosmoline that wouldn't allow the retaining spring to be fully depressed easily. I had to use something, a nut, I think, between the C-clamp and spring to fully depress it without squeezing the stock. "A cheerful heart is good medicine."
jjk308		#8	[-]
Posts: 2759 (12/15/07 06:05 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I just wedge the rifle, barrel down, against a table, the muzzle maybe 6 inches above the table edge, stick a LOOOOONG screwdriver in the junction of the front band and the spring, push the spring down then push the screwdriver handle up so the top of the blade pries the band off. Works 100% when you get the knack as the screwdriver length gives you lots of leverage. You may need someone to hold the rifle in place. Do not try to push or hammer the band forward and off until that spring's down as you'll just rip the back end of the spring through the stock, cracking it. Problem with c clamps is that using them too far back on the spring may also crack the stock. be careful if you clamp.
99car	nose caps	#9	[-]
Posts: 129 (12/16/07 12:42 AM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Don't mean to hijack, but is heat the best way to take off a stuck H band? I find these harder to move than a '93 or '03 nose cap.
scooter222		#10	[-]
Posts: 4723 (12/16/07 11:33 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Make sure the spring is pushed all the way in. I then use a hardwood dowel to tap around on all sides. Move it slowly so you don't mar anything.
69kHz		#11	[-]
Posts: 119 (12/17/07 01:24 AM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thank you everyone.. gonna try these tips out tommorow. Gew 88 Seitengewehr
69kHz		#12	[-]
Posts: 121 (12/19/07 08:47 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	jjk308 wrote: I just wedge the rifle, barrel down, against a table, the muzzle maybe 6 inches above the table edge, stick a LOOOOONG screwdriver in the junction of the front band and the spring, push the spring down then push the screwdriver handle up so the top of the blade pries the band off. Works 100% when you get the knack as the screwdriver length gives you lots of leverage. You may need someone to hold the rifle in place. Do not try to push or hammer the band forward and off until that spring's down as you'll just rip the back end of the spring through the stock, cracking it. Problem with c clamps is that using them too far back on the spring may also crack the stock. be careful if you clamp. And this was the winner. Worked like a charm... thanks Gew 88 Seitengewehr
jjk308		#13	[-]
Posts: 2762 (12/24/07 09:37 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks for the praise. I pulled one last weekend, that was pretty difficult. Had to hammer on the screwdriver a bit until the spring went down, likely frozen in place by rust or crud. Once I did that, got it down all the way once, the push and pry worked fine. I can usually do it by myself by holding the rifle butt between my feet to stop it from turning on the table edge, but I really should have just hammered a couple 1 1/2 x 3/4 srips of wood on a board far enough apart for the butt to fit between, then stood on it. Of course I just thought this up now that I've disassembled 150 of the turks and the supply has dried up!
HLGRAY		#14	[-]
Posts: 132 (12/24/07 11:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Does it have a screw or brad in the front band? If so, remove it first.
jjk308		#15	[-]
Posts: 2767 (12/28/07 05:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've never seen a turk (or swede, same layout) with a screw in the nosecap (AKA front band) The newer pistol grip type stocks often have one in the rear band, even if there's a retention spring on it.
temperflash		#16	[-]
Posts: 32 (01/25/08 09:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If I remember correctly my Spanish 93 Mauser had a small plate in the front of the band with a hole for the cleaning rod. To remove the band you had to first remove the little plate. Not sure if thats the same on other 93 rifles or not.
beanstrung		#17	[-]
Posts: 4120 (01/26/08 12:10 AM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	What TemperFlash mentions, is similar to the Argentine model 91's... These screws are not present on Turkish 1893, or later Turkish Mausers. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10