2008 Camp Perry Summary Stats -- Swede wins again, but it's close

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Mad 4 Mausers	2008 Camp Perry Summary Stats -- Swede wins again, but it's close	Lead	[-]
Posts: 641 (09/05/08 12:04 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I took a close look at the Camp Perry results and put together a little summary, which presents them in terms of overall performance by rifle type. Of note when looking at the one-through-ten positions (not shown in the stats below), is that the Swedish Mauser took first place and took a total of seven positions within the top ten.. A straight-pull Swiss came in second, and another, eighth. A US M1917 came in third! Woo, things are getting exciting. There were 330 rifles competing in the contest, and 98 of them were Swiss straights-pull -- 30% of the field was comprised of Swiss rifles . They must have dragged out every one of those bulky closet dwellers they could find, and headed to Camp Perry with great determination. My thought is that they could have won the overall match, if they had just two saboteurs with Swede Mausers enter the contest and shoot to score around 200^th place. It would have skewed the score just enough, but it's difficult to do that badly with the Swede. The Lee Enfields scored badly as usual and came in last among the major entrants. They were even beaten by the category, "Other Rifle." Perhaps, they can find out what rifle(s) made up this category and offer to swap their Gallipoli/Dunkirk weapons for something more accurate. Notice also that the US Krag came in first overall in terms of average ranking, but the number of entries was very small and the results may not be statistically meaningful. It would be nice to see a greater number of these Krags in the competition. Last Edited By: Mad 4 Mausers 09/05/08 02:08 AM. Edited 3 times.
MP1978		#1	[-]
Posts: 66 (09/05/08 06:34 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The Swedish rifles do well as do the guys who shoot them. Over the past 3 years Swede's have taken first place in the Vintage Bolt Action Match. There have also been more Swede's in the top twenty than any other manufacturer even though not as many have been fielded. A client friend of mine ( range master for the High Power Rifle Match) usually gives me the heads up as to how the Swede's did but this year he was working with two shooters who were on the US Team in China and didn't attend Camp Perry. Thanks for the info...Jim
Aubullet		#2	[-]
Posts: 789 (09/06/08 02:39 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No doubt that Krags can shoot well, and a greater number of entrants of reasonable ability would likely do just as well. I think the M1917 could also prove more competitive in the right hands, as they have superior sights and the potential for excellent accuracy, but with 80 entrants I have to wonder if some of the two groove barrels, or just more worn ones, got into the event. The telling point however is that even with fewer entrants than a couple of other prime contenders, the Swedes took 7 of the top 10 places. I don't care how you slice it, Swedes are tough to beat!!! What wonderful rifles they are!
high speed cruise		#3	[-]
Posts: 2447 (09/10/08 07:49 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You guys aren't helping my wallet at all! In fact, I think this isn't about Camp Perry.....it's a conspiracy to make me deplete my bank account further by making me buy another diopter Swede! Of course the CG63 rifles are the dedicated target pieces, not fancy-sighted combat arms. GREG
Parashooter		#4	[-]
Posts: 1532 (09/10/08 11:09 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Save your money! You can't use that "diopter" in a Vintage Match under CMP rules. General-issue sights only. 6.3.6 As-Issued Foreign Military Rifle (5) Sights must be of the same types that were on rifles issued to regular military personnel. Special purpose sights designed for sniping or target practice are not permitted.
high speed cruise		#5	[-]
Posts: 2475 (09/14/08 02:32 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Really? You couldn't use a diopted-fitted rifle at Camp Perry? GREG
MP1978		#6	[-]
Posts: 70 (09/14/08 10:28 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hi Speedy, You can only use sights that were standard military issue. The CMP is even having trouble accepting the Vasteras Metalverkin refined sight adapter that was military issue on m/38's. Dutchman and I have sent the CMP documentation showing that type of sight was standard military issue but as of yet I don't know if they have allowed it to be used. I've even had Chuck Delano (range master at Camp Perry) talk to some of the higher ups at CMP about the Vasteras sight on the m/38's. Maybe one of the stumbling blocks is the civilian Vasteras refined sight adapter for the m/96. Even as a fairly knowledgable collector I would have to look closely to be able and tell the difference between the ones for a m/38 and the one for a m/96. A quick look test for the CMP would be if there is a refined sight adapter on a m/96 then it isn't an issue sight. If there's one on a m/38 it may be correct but then that depends on the rear sight base and ladder on that particular rifle. The m/38's with a m/96 base and ladder would be correct with a Vasteras insert. On the other hand the m/38's with the commonly seen Husqvarna m/38 base and ladder w/ the "T" wouldn't be correct with the Vasteras insert. As you can see by my simple post on the Swedish sights it could be a big training issue for the inspectors who judge if a rifle can be used at Camp Perry...Jim
high speed cruise		#7	[-]
Posts: 2481 (09/15/08 05:57 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Now you tell me! After I just bought 5 of those diopter-modified M96's and 3 CG-63's!!!! LOL. Thanks for the info though, if ever I go to Perry, I won't bring one.
captaincalc		#8	[-]
Posts: 6 (09/20/08 09:25 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The "96" sights start out at 300m. Are we allowed to use one of the extended front posts at Perry to get the bullets down to 200 yds or are the guys using Kentucky yardage?
MP1978		#9	[-]
Posts: 83 (09/21/08 07:35 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Military front posts came in different hieghts so I would think you could find an issue front sight post to fit your need. I don't know if they check the front sight to see if an after market front sight blade is used. I believe as long as the blade is of the standard shape and isn't something that looks like a "Target Sight" it would be allowed...Jim
high speed cruise		#10	[-]
Posts: 2504 (09/21/08 02:06 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I saw beeker77's pics on gunboards last night OMG: 1.5 inch group at 300 yards with that dioptered M96 of his! WOW. Greg
MP1978		#11	[-]
Posts: 85 (09/21/08 06:35 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hi Speedy, It sure is amaising what a nearly 100 year old rifle is capable of in the hands of a good shot. I have shot groups of that size at 100yds and I thought I was doing good...Jim
jimLEO1		#12	[-]
Posts: 604 (11/15/08 07:02 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I won a two rifle match at my gun club uisng my Swede M96 and a K31. I used handloads in my Swede but factory military stuf fin the K31. Thw Swede will always outshoot the K31 though. We only shoot at 100 yards but 5 relays of ten shots each. How are the matches at camp perry shot, or do you have a link that gives the specs? Thanks. jim JIM