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NIB Smith Corona 1903A3 Rifles

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TimRB	NIB Smith Corona 1903A3 Rifles	Lead	[-]
Posts: 70 (11/21/08 06:26 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None On another forum (to remain nameless) a poster said that his grandfather "acquired" two "cases" of brand-new 1903A3 rifles back in the day. I don't know how many rifles to a "case", and it seems clear to me that they were stolen. (And not only that, stolen at a time when they were really NEEDED!) The rifles supposedly have consecutive serial numbers. He is selling them. Hypothetically, if this deal were legitimate, what would those rifles be worth? I'm thinking "priceless", but I'm a gun nut. --A couple dozen new-in-box consecutively-numbered 1903A3 rifles--the mind boggles. Tim
HoosierDaddy		#1	[-]
Posts: 5267 (11/21/08 11:48 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sounds to me like someone is blowing smoke. Ash Iron Construction
glock40man		#2	[-]
Posts: 88 (11/22/08 01:28 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Nothing really comes to me as a surprise anymore. The first and last time that I saw multiple cases of any firearm,was when the Brooklyn Navy Yard was closed when I was a kid.Weapons from the M-16,going all the way back to the late 1780's. As well as navel stores of all types. Things were stolen all the time from shipyards and army bases back then. HoosierDaddy is more then likely correct.
KevinP In UK		#3	[-]
Posts: 1989 (11/22/08 09:13 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hmmm the question springs to mind here. Once stolen unless returned to their rightfull owner then surely they are still stolen and by buying a stolen rifle surely one is committing an offence. Or is there a time limit on things like this in the US? Best Regards. KP Don't let the bastards grind you down!
HoosierDaddy		#4	[-]
Posts: 5269 (11/22/08 10:17 AM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I would say that if you buy it without knowing it is "hot" you are ok. But if someone can prove you knew that something was hot and still bought it you would be in deep do do. It that guy has two crates of rifles then I have six. Ash Iron Construction
eli griggs		#5	[-]
Posts: 488 (11/22/08 10:48 AM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Would no statute of limitations apply here? It seems to me, unless people were killed in acquisition, no one would want to try to put together a case so long after the facts. Who knows what route such weapons would have taken but if they exist at all, I think they are fair game, if that is, your sense of right and wrong allows you to put aside that they may have been stolen, long before you were even born. Even guilt has limits. Cheers "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~ "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity". - Albert Einstein WANTED - Lee Loaders - .223, 6.5 Swiss Mauser, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .308 Win, .303 Brit, 7.7 WANTED- Turkey and Goose feathers for fletching arrows
swissmauser		#6	[-]
Posts: 268 (11/22/08 12:41 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	IIRC, in the State of Michigan, the sale price is the test of knowledge about stolen items. Picture an innocent buyer. If he pays far less than market value, the legal presumption is that he knows the item is stolen. If he pays a normal market price, there is no such presumption. So, if the deal is too good to be true, beware. In this case, I'd expect that paying a price typical of the published odcmp.com prices for a top-grade 1903A3 or more would not expose a buyer to the presumption of knowing the item was stolen, since one could demonstrate the market price for the item.
Kowsky Raider	New 03A3's?	#7	[-]
Posts: 78 (11/22/08 06:28 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I worked at the Brooklyn Navy Yard 1951 to 1955 the only rifles I saw were issued to the Marine sentries , M-1 Garands . They carried Colt M-1911-A1's. Other weapons assigned to ships in port were secured on board. My brother worked there till it closed. I did get an 03a3 rifle from the DCM in 1961 that was unnissued so they did exist. Lots of weapons were stolen from the Govt .( ATF is missing several now.) If any show up aN.C.I.S. check might have a record. Kowsky Raider.
beanstrung		#8	[-]
Posts: 4838 (11/22/08 07:12 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm no legal expert, but my thoughts would be that if the rifles were originally stolen from the US military, a statute of limitations of 7 years would apply to the ORIGINAL crime, committed by the ORIGINAL perpetrator. Even 60 years later, the rifles are still "stolen property", and if you knowingly receive stolen property, then YOU commit a brand new crime on the date you receive the stolen property. The 7 year clock would start all over for YOU. If you bought one without knowing that it was stolen, but it was later proven to have been stolen, you would not be guilty of receiving stolen property, but you would still have to surrender the property at your own loss. Bottom line, if you have a reasonable belief that the rifles might have been stolen, then steer clear, and run away. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10

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