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glock40man |
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Went to a estate sale with the wife this morning,a WW2 vet had died and the family was preparing the home to be put up for sale.Every thing must go,no
reasonable offer refused.Small collection of military trinkets,uniform bits and pieces,medals,bayonet,German helmet.BRAND NEW MG42 BARREL.What the...? There it
was ,packed in grease,wrapped in a piece of burlap.Had a chat with one of the daughters running the sale and yes there was several weapons that they decided to
keep.Colt 45,P-38.and a M-1 carbine.Anything else,I inquired.No ,that"s all that we could find.Old house,two floors,BIG attic.I wonder about that
attic!Showed her the barrel,she thought it was part of a shotgun.My point is that hundred's of WW2 vets are passing on every day.No telling how many of
them brought back full auto weapons and just forgotten about them.Packed away in cellers,barns,steamer trunks,and of course attics.Many of these vet's
would not talk to anyone about the war or the roll they played in it.After they are gone,the family is finally able to put all the pieces together.In most
cases.But you can"t help but think.....
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The Gun Control Act of 1968 allowed for 3 amnesty periods to register your full auto firearms. DD,s had to be turned in IIRC. The TV ad said 'do you really
need a bazooka to go duck hunting?'. Only one period has been used. I know of several WW2, Korean, & Viet vets who one way or another wound up with
relics that cannot be made legal. Or can they? I really don't think we'll ever have another amnesty in todays political climate, but we can dream
can't we?
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glock40man |
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Yeah John,I know about the amnesty deal. But nobody really cared much abut guns in general back then.Sure they were around,just like the ax,monkey wrench and
push lawn mower. No big deal. Today it is though.When the vet passes on,the family must pick up the pieces. If such a weapon is present,the family becomes
criminals by default. A overzealous district attorney ,and well,you get the picture.
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DuWhat |
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Never know................I sure would not mind having the 42 barrel. Have a MG42 and can always use another barrel. Robert
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I am the proud son of one of those WWII vets who all too soon will be joining his fellow band of brothers dad, like many others, chooses not to speak of his time 'over there' well, not much of it, anyway I think that many of them have conveniently forgotten what is stored in the attics or basements of their lives they all protected their families once, and in some small ways they still are I will honor and respect all of my dad's wishes it's the least that I can do Bob |
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I've heard some stories of people finding BAR's in their closet and all that, I'm sure 1% of it is true but I've heard too many "BAR in
the attic" stories that I think people just don't know what they're seeing or are just telling a tall tale....the story also has evolved into the
"M60 in the attic" as if Vietnam Vets were just bringing home M60's........there's as much chance of me making it off Ft. Drum with a 240B as
there is hell freezing over.......of course this is a different time and they don't let us leave anywhere with so much as a live round, let alone a stolen
machine gun...but back in WWII I imagine there was all kinds of stuff floating around and with millions of pistols and rifles and millions of serviceman moving
around from Europe and the Pacific and back it could be easy to see some stuff slipping through the cracks....a BAR written off as "lost"
"damaged" or "stolen" and with so much else going on no one probably looked too deep into it. I know a guy in the army reserves who had
his M16A2 stolen while at Ft. Polk doing training, so somewhere a civilian has his hands on a US Govt. property M16.......also, yes believe it or not, weapons
do really get lost overseas in Iraq.....a guy in my platoon had his M4 fall out of the turret of an MRAP and didn't realize it, and 4 days later after
numerous threats and demands to an entire village an Iraqi in this village came up with a muddy, dirty M4. I'm sure there have been similiar instances
where the weapon was not found. Just to illustrate that weapons do get lost and change hands sometimes. A few pistols even manage to make it home, although
it's VERY difficult. I was tempted to try a few times with some assorted Czech .32 auto pistols and some other stuff like Tokarevs and old Berettas but the
risk wouldn't be worth it for these pistols. I think it's absurd they don't let us take trophies like they used to, we can carry automatic rifles
and risk getting blown up but I can't send home a Makarov that I found in a weapons cache
Better to blow up a pile of weapons than let a soldier take home a pistol as a
trophy
I can see scores of war trophy pistols and rifles like K98's, P38's and even a few 1911A1's being taken home by vets during a time when things were much "looser" with stuff like that. A GI gets his hands on a .45, it may have just been given to him at the field level, he may have been an AG or something and then he just holds on to it after he gets back to the states. But I don't think it would be easy to just stuff a BAR in a duffel bag, the army would kind know if stuff like that went missing. If it did happen then it would be a pretty slick GI to make it home with an MG42 much less USGI property. |
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One thing that I have learned about the GI {does"nt matter which army}is never,ever under estimate his ability to accomplish his mission ! Legal or other
wise.I found that out on my first overseas tour of all most nine straight years in europe.Weapons from ww2 pop up all the time in Italy,Germany,etc.Sometimes
found after a vet dies,other times when a old house or barn is being renovated or torn down.The story of the builder pulling down a wall and a mp-40 hits him
in the head,happens more then what you would think.The ever pragmatic German calls the police station.The cop shows up,he talks to the people about the newly
found weapon,they give the cop a beer,he takes the weapon to his car,and off he go"s back to the police station.End of story.In this country,the SWAT team
shows up,armored vehicle in the drive way,choppper in the air,you name it.I must confess that I never heard of a American soldier shipping back a newly found
ww2 weapon. All though old ordinance is found all the time in Graff,Baumholder,Hohenfels,etc. It still bugs me though about the barrel.Seems like he went
through a lot of trouble to bring it back.There"s more to this story,but I"am gonna let it go. Just going to be content with my barrel and GI mess
kit.
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high speed cruise |
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Look at the bright side, if you win the lotto and guy a MG 42, you'll have a minty barrel to use when yours gets too hot! |
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I had the privilege yesterday to hold in my hand a Inland M1 Carbine that came straight from WWII. It was given to someone I know by a fellow who had past
away. The story was that this man who had died and given it to the person I know had a uncle that had brought it back from Europe in his duffel bag. It is a
1943 model, still has the crossed cannons cartouche, no bayonet lug, flip sights and original safety. It has not been improved in any way. I introduced this
person to the fourm so I hope he will join and post some pictures of it one day.
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Here in New England where we have a very dense population compared to other parts of the country, we hear of these situations time and time again. My buddy
has been buying militaria for years, including firearms, from widows of vets. I, myself, have purchased a few pieces under these circumstances. I've
never been offered anything verboten but he has. And he's handled it very professionally, too, informing them of the situation with full-auto firearms
that were never registered. One never knows if it's a plant and he's being "tested". So, he has abided by the law in every case. In one
instance, however, he bought what he thought was a box of junk parts just to poke through at his leisure. Amongst the bits and pieces was a perfectly preseved
M2 carbine receiver. It killed him but he took it out to the garage and beat it to death. He had too much to lose but not doing that but it wasn't going
to be ever made into a rifle again for sure.
Yes, there is a lot of stuff that's appearing more frequently unfortunately. It's the end of an era for sure and these pieces and their owners deserve to be handled with respect for their service to our country. BTW, did you purchase the MG42 barrel? They do have a good market value! I sold an M60 barrel w/bipod attached to an MG dealer in Virginia not long ago after buying out an estate and finding it amoung many other bits and pieces. Rome
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.
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Kowsky Raider |
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Weapons are lost or stolen all the time.ATF and I think the FBI lost some. At Fort Drum I saw an M-1 rifle fall of a truck. I happened to be following in a
Jeep and retrieved it. We lost a .45 cal. Grease Gun from our NG Armory. I figured some one lowered it out a window on a dark street side and they had an
awaiting accomplice or picked it up later themselves. Back in 1951 when I was waiting to be drafted I bought a WW2 M1 Rifle (Bring back) for $25 I wanted to
be proficiant in its use Before hand. I shot the heck out of It and the resold it for $25. Our armory had Souvineer weapons on display in the hall showcases
from WW1 &2 Some fully automatic. Upstairs in the Officers club Were Civil War weapons and accoutrements on display. Even a 12 pounder Bronze Napolean
Howitzer (onthe drill floor). Around 1972 a Guard employee Was sent around the city to collect cannons outside some Armories.And distribute them to American
Legion posts. He had one left over which the C.O. told him to keep. He showed it to me . It was a bronze Howitzed mounted on a rare Iron carriage From Auburn
carriage and iron works a Civil War Supplier. He said he was going to sell the barrel for scrap,and use the wheels for a wagon. I educated him and offerred
to buy it. Dont know where it ended up. Kowsky Raider.
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JTB1967 |
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A fellow once showed me the M1 carbine his dad had brought back, the strange thing was the Blue Sky Import marking no the barrel.
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zeebill |
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Ever see a trunk full of boxed M1 Carbines with starlight scopes? A full auto BAR straight from WW2? Two Maxims with carriages attached and ready to shoot? I
have seen all of the above and I don't own any of them nor do I really need them with the attached hassles that go with them. But then it is nice to dream
that ownership would be possible and that I could find the money to feed and enjoy them! Oh Well Life goes on! Bill
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