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krippp	Need advice on a stock repair for an M38Now Finished	Lead	[-]
Posts: 59 (07/03/09 10:15 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I recently found a few cracks inside the stock of one of M38's. I haven't had the chance to shoot this one yet and I am glad I take them all down before shooting the first time to check. This is a correct M38 stock on a 1942 Izhevsk model, ny question is, what would be the best way to repair this or what was the Russian way to repair it? I would like to shoot this one periodically but if shooting it would damage it further even after the repair then I could relegate it to "rear echelon duty" as I have so many more to shoot, but I do like being able to fire each and every gun that i own from time to time.. It already has an original arsenal repair on the nose that has stood the test of time and is holding up well. http://www.youtube.com/krippp1969 Last Edited By: krippp 07/06/09 08:25 PM. Edited 1 time.
CR Hound	Re: Need advice on a stock repair for an M38	#1	[-]
Posts: 726 (07/03/09 12:34 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hi Krippp, Luckily it looks like the crack is only in the section of wood in front of the trigger? If so that area is not stressed when firing. I don't know what the Russian way would be to repair this? Personally I would pry it apart a little with a knife and push epoxy into the crack, clamp it tight till it drys, and then take it out shooting as normal. Be sure to check the area behind the trigger now and then to make sure it is not also splitting. Many people recommend super glue family of glues, but I have had no any luck with that on oil soaked wood. It looks like you will never be able to get the cosmoline out of that section before gluing it. You could also put a cross pin through there, but I don't like repares visible from the outside. My two cents. Other people will have other great ideas. You might post this in the repair section too.
Keystone Kid		#2	[-]
Posts: 5 (07/03/09 07:33 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If you go to surplusrifle.com and go to the stock and repair section and post your question, Candyman who does unbelievable stock work will give you the answer you are looking for. Keystone Kid
bobbo.collectorguns35625		#3	[-]
Posts: 121 (07/03/09 07:55 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	A gunsmith told me he user's this stuff. Gorilla glue will not adhere to oils in the gun stock but this will. Click here A victim is an unarmed citizen . Carry Last Edited By: bobbo 07/03/09 08:01 PM. Edited 2 times.
zeebill		#4	[-]
Posts: 3646 (07/04/09 08:10 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	CR Hound has given you all the right info in my opinion and the only choice would be the glue. Acra glass works great and I have even used super glue on spots like you show. I have had one crack in that position all the way back through the stock an M27 of all things. Then again I have fired some that look the same never repairing the crack at all and had no trouble. It is a crap shoot in my opinion, to fix or to leave alone? If I told you how I decide you would along with others probably have me committed. Oh what the heck! I strip it down to bare stock with nothing left on it (you can leave the recoil lug in place) and kick it like you would to check a bad baseball bat for cracks holding the forestock lightly. The sound of the wood will tell you just how far that crack goes without any real guesses involved. Fuzzy and buzzy sound and you repair, solid and normal sound leave it alone. Works for me but then I might sleep in one of those jackets with all the buckles at times too? Good Luck and Have Fun! Bill PS I am guessing the Russians would have drilled and dowelled it but that is just a guess!
Keystone Kid		#5	[-]
Posts: 6 (07/04/09 12:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	zeebill we meet at the Greensburg Pa gun show last year, I was the guy selling the very pretty Sako M39 and ended up selling it to a young kid. and you teased him I would have sold it to you cheaper. Hope you are well, I also would like to say that I did not mean to offend anyone by telling krippp to go ask Candyman advice. He is a good friend and I have seen his work first hand and it is truly unbelievable what the man can do. I have no doubt that their are guys here too that know their stuff also. Semper Fi Keystone Kid
eb in oregon		#6	[-]
Posts: 943 (07/05/09 09:28 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've had good luck with "Hot Stuff" (it comes in several types depending on the width of the crack) and brass pins. I would squirt lots of Hot Stuff into the crack and wrap with surgical tubing. Let sit over night. Cross drill with an 1/8th drill through the cracked places and insert THREADED brass 1/8th rod liberally coated with Accraglass. Let sit 24 hours. It is sometimes desirable to drill the holes a few thousandths smaller and run the threaded rod in with a cordless drill. That way your literally screwing the stock together. File off excess rod and 'glass and refinish. While it is possible to use Accraglass with no pins, you can crack the stock further while trying to get enough into the crack to get a good bond. Pins are an accepted fix that were used by many countries armorers during refurbishment. You can also us a wooden peg, however it won't have quite the holding power of the threaded brass pin. The wood pin will also need a groove cut into it (kind of like course pitch threading) to insure that you get a good bond with the 'glass. Regards, eb "We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
krippp		#7	[-]
Posts: 60 (07/06/09 08:24 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I uused acraglass and a brass machine screw to finish this repair. I applied the acraglass to the cracks and also to the threads of the brass screw. The pics don't do it justice, I feel it came out fairly nice. I must admit that even though the stock was already cracked, it took a few minutes for me to work up the nerve to actually drill into the wood of this old gun. I had to convince myself that it was what "Ivan" would have done. http://www.youtube.com/krippp1969
krippp		#8	[-]
Posts: 62 (07/08/09 07:45 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	This is the M38 after the repairs and returning it to a tung oil finish. http://www.youtube.com/krippp1969
bobbo.collectorguns35625		#9	[-]
Posts: 124 (07/09/09 07:57 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Looks good. I have a M38 stock with hand guard and hardware if you would like just pay shipping and I will give it to you. A victim is an unarmed citizen . Carry
Mountain Doctor		#10	[-]
Posts: 3544 (07/09/09 02:00 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Very nice work. BETTER than Ivan would have done. The gun should be good for another hundred years.
krippp		#11	[-]
Posts: 63 (07/09/09 07:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	bobbo wrote: Looks good. I have a M38 stock with hand guard and hardware if you would like just pay shipping and I will give it to you. Thanks, message sent http://www.youtube.com/krippp1969