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Posts: 2 (11/08/09 09:24 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None i have a 1942 no.4 mk1*. marked us property on reciever. the ser. # is 13c6842. on the same band just below the serial # it is also stamped with an S , below that 1942, and below that 8.. the wood, clip ,and bolt all have the same ser.#. the " c " in the ser. # indicates this is a savage? it also has the battle flip up sight with graduations 2 thru 13 . I am wondering if this is the correct sight because it is marked mk2. I brought the gun to the local gun shop to ask about it's overall condition.they said the bore looked good and they descibed the overall condition of the gun as best they seen come thru there door. I have had the gun for 20 years, and it has only fired maybe 20 rounds. I was wondering if anyone would speculate on the value of the gun based on this description, until I can get some pics. uploaded. this gun has no other symbols of strange looking markings, like the proof stamps and things i have been seeing while going thru the different posts on the forum. does that mean it has never been shipped overseas ?
Ed Novak		#1	[-]
Posts: 2182 (11/08/09 10:10 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Serial number matches mfr date time period. No BNP stamping? May not have seen the elephant. Backsight: Mk.1 is commonly referred to as "the micrometer sight", made of milled steel with a thumb adjuster on the slide to move the slide on the leaf from 200 to 1300yds. Mk.2 backsight is a two-aperture "flip sight" with 300/600yd apertures. The Mk.3 and Mk.4 backsights are made of stamped steel and have spring-loaded thumb releases to move the slide. The "battle sight" (300yd aperture) on the Mk.2 is intended for use with a bayonet as are the "battle apertures" which are on the base of the Mk.1, 3 & 4 sight leafs. $150 - $225 for a good used No.4 which is in pretty good supply right now and with the economy being what it is ... NRA Endowment member LECS #2
catklan4		#2	[-]
Posts: 3 (11/08/09 10:26 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	the sight which says mk2, has the spring loaded thumb release and is graduated from 2 to 13. the best description based on you reply is that it should say mk3 or 4?
Ed Novak		#3	[-]
Posts: 2183 (11/08/09 11:53 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mk.3; people get confused about the Mk.3 backsight having a Mk.II/2 slide and leaf (Mk.4 has a Mk.3 slide and leaf). Speaking from experience, be very careful with the battle aperture "tab" on the Mk.3/4 backsights - they break easily and these sights are becoming scarce, probably because so many are damaged by the tab being butt-stroked by another rifle being put into the safe. A thought; a Mk.1 backsight of milled steel and with finer adjustment would likely be appropriate to your Savage since it is a '42 production and replacing the somewhat fragile Mk.3 to be reinstalled later if you like may be an option to consider. The Canadian pattern Mk.3s and Mk.4s are sought after by owners of post-war Long Branch rifles. NRA Endowment member LECS #2
eagle7		#4	[-]
Posts: 4138 (11/08/09 05:28 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If I had to bet, I would say it originally came with a milled Mk 1 sight. Later Savage No4s came with the 300/600 flip up peepsight. Of course an armorer would repair/replace a broken sight with whatever he had in stock.
Ed Novak		#5	[-]
Posts: 2184 (11/08/09 06:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	eagle7 wrote: If I had to bet, I would say it originally came with a milled Mk 1 sight. Later Savage No4s came with the 300/600 flip up peepsight. Of course an armorer would repair/replace a broken sight with whatever he had in stock. Yes. The Mk.2 was a production short-cut for "later" Mk.1*s and many, if not most Mk.2s were switched out for the Mk.1 during repair/FTR. My '43 has the Mk.2 and no FTR evidence. Catklan 4; does your rifle have any import markings? NRA Endowment member LECS #2
catklan4		#6	[-]
Posts: 4 (11/08/09 08:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	no , i don't think so. I have been looking at all the rescources / and pics. of all the stuff everyone is posting, and i can't find anything like that on the gun. the onlything that is on there is a stamping in very very small letters that say mc alex. it is written at the very bottom of the band that has the serial number and date .
Ed Novak		#7	[-]
Posts: 2186 (11/08/09 09:50 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I don't recognize the "mc alex." and that would be an unusual location for an import stamp. In "olden days", importers often stamped the underside of the barrel between the foresight and muzzle and sometimes the stamping is difficult to see and ... of course, your rifle may have no import markings anyhow. Thanks for the reply. Enjoy the rifle! NRA Endowment member LECS #2
Patt14		#8	[-]
Posts: 12 (11/09/09 01:22 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You sure it wasn't IAC, Alex?. . . . InterArms Co. of Alexandria, Virginia Last Edited By: Patt14 11/09/09 02:25 PM. Edited 1 times.
catklan4		#9	[-]
Posts: 5 (11/09/09 06:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	yes, that is exactly what it says. What does that mean.? also found a really small stamping on the side of the receiver just under where it say 303 brit. it looks like 11k. i Looked under the bright light all around the front of the barrell where it sticks out of the wood, and found nothing but an S which is stamped on the band that holds to wood together.
Patt14		#10	[-]
Posts: 13 (11/10/09 10:07 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	IAC was a retail arms dealer that went out of business in the early 90s and "IAC, Alex" was the dealer's identification that was usually stamped or electropenciled on the receiver or barrel. Not sure what 11k is but the S might refer to Savage manufacture. Most of the small marks on British rifles are inspector or partmaker's codes.
eagle7		#11	[-]
Posts: 4147 (11/10/09 03:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The serial number with the C in it and the "US Property" stamp are indications the rifle was made by Savage Arms in Massachussetts as part of a WWII Lend Lease contract. There should be little squared off S stamps on most of the parts unless they were swapped out during a rebuild. American collectors seem to favor these No4s, and one in VG condition should be worth about $200 - $250.

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